Dilly, Dilly back to the pit of misery

[cowboysdreamer]

Cowboy fans it's time to stop dumping on Dak Prescott, we never heard any bad accolades last year when this team was gelling together. But this year it's a whole different story Dak's biggest hurdle this year was trying to put this team on his shoulder with the lack of Offensive Line protection and the ongoing saga of who was @ running back. When you have a player in the locker room with the so call stature of Dez Bryant in your face every game it's hard to focus on the obvious the "TEAM " when you have a young QB it's hard to develop his abilities if he feels the pressure of getting the football to 1 player who is up there leading the league in dropped balls and not being able to focus on more distribution to other players. Other teams already go into games knowing that other players like Noah Brown, Jeff Swaim are more than likely are just in the game to block so there is no real attention to these players in the defensive scheme of the opposing teams. There is more problems with this "TEAM" than Dak Prescott .

1) Jerry Jones- it starts here first  he  is so wrong about the talent  evaluation of the Dallas Cowboys starting with coaching and players, the only quality that I like about him is he's willing to give players a second chance because in life not 1 person is perfect. Jerry needs to start @ the top and get rid of these big contracts that he gave to players that are under performing or find other coaching prospects who can find other ways in which these players could flourish. Provide more quality depth players to this teams roster.

2) Coaches- they need to be more accountable for bad play calling, miss use of players, stop being so predictable on what the Dallas Cowboys are going to do each game either on the Offensive or Defensive side of the ball .They need to get the max out of their players for e.g .(Patriots) always seem to find players that you never heard of and pay little money for and make very big contributions on the field.

3) Players- also need to be accountable to this " TEAM" no more off field suspensions, stop taking untimely penalties in games that take away momentum. Execution these players are getting paid millions of dollars to entertain the fans so please step up and make the Cowboy's fans proud again. Check your "EGOS" @ the stadium door because you only win as a team not by individual play this isn't golf or tennis.

 

So once again we sit here for another year of promise to being a year of disappointment and we just can't single out Dak Prescott for being at fault for this team failing again . I know that all us Cowboy fans are hurting inside because the Cowboys failed us once again but until " ALL " the problems that start from the front office down to the field are addressed we are always going to be waiting to get back to the Super Bowl.

[Dallas94Ware]

While very hard to read with the lack of grammar, some of what you said carries some weight. A few points however -

 

Stop it with the Jerry stuff. This has not been a valid point since 2003. Its been over a decade now. Jerry no longer calls the shots on his own. Stop looking for easy scapegoats. When he brought in Parcells, that mostly was tamed. Stephen and McClay have vetoed Jerry several times and Garrett also has tremendous weight on draft day and roster building. Jerry is but a small piece of a cohesive team that has built a good roster from the ground up for dirt cheap. Theres some holes still, and a.lot of youth that needs to be coached up, but stop making Jerry the scapegoat for every roster decision. Hasnt been all on him since 2003. 

Second, ever coached a team? I have. You dont just "get the most out" of players. Guys need to execute. The patriots do whatnthey do because every role is.simplified and straight forward. No one does anything except their one role. Even OLs are swapped between zone.block, power block and pass protect. Thats not a realistic goal for a team to be like. They do it their way, most teams cannot. But thats fine.

The coaches just need to sit players who blow assignments and hold the players accountable - JG is a leader, he is motivational and a good talent evaluator, but there needs to be a discipline factor in there. Benching a player whos screwed up zone assignments took far too long. Get him on the bench after the third or fourth screw up. His feelings get hurt? Too bad. Make him regret his mistake and work harder to.correct it.

The biggest flaw we have seen is basic playernl execution. Bracket coverage on Jeffery in a clear goal line post throw to the big receiver...and he still catches it? Come on, just simplyncome on. Coaches put em in position, and they just failed miserably anyway.

 

[D82]

12 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

While very hard to read with the lack of grammar, some of what you said carries some weight. A few points however -

 

Stop it with the Jerry stuff. This has not been a valid point since 2003. Its been over a decade now. Jerry no longer calls the shots on his own. Stop looking for easy scapegoats. When he brought in Parcells, that mostly was tamed. Stephen and McClay have vetoed Jerry several times and Garrett also has tremendous weight on draft day and roster building. Jerry is but a small piece of a cohesive team that has built a good roster from the ground up for dirt cheap. Theres some holes still, and a.lot of youth that needs to be coached up, but stop making Jerry the scapegoat for every roster decision. Hasnt been all on him since 2003. 

Second, ever coached a team? I have. You dont just "get the most out" of players. Guys need to execute. The patriots do whatnthey do because every role is.simplified and straight forward. No one does anything except their one role. Even OLs are swapped between zone.block, power block and pass protect. Thats not a realistic goal for a team to be like. They do it their way, most teams cannot. But thats fine.

The coaches just need to sit players who blow assignments and hold the players accountable - JG is a leader, he is motivational and a good talent evaluator, but there needs to be a discipline factor in there. Benching a player whos screwed up zone assignments took far too long. Get him on the bench after the third or fourth screw up. His feelings get hurt? Too bad. Make him regret his mistake and work harder to.correct it.

The biggest flaw we have seen is basic playernl execution. Bracket coverage on Jeffery in a clear goal line post throw to the big receiver...and he still catches it? Come on, just simplyncome on. Coaches put em in position, and they just failed miserably anyway.

 

I'd agree with this.

Coaches and players have failed to execute. So, it would make sense if I were a GM to at least make some changes. However, it appears that Linehan and Marinelli are going to both keep their jobs. 

[Dallas94Ware]

1 minute ago, Desperado82 said:

I'd agree with this.

Coaches and players have failed to execute. So, it would make sense if I were a GM to at least make some changes. However, it appears that Linehan and Marinelli are going to both keep their jobs. 

I havent heard anything about the coordinators keeping their jobs. But Id say it makes sense either way. Marinelli's system takes years of study to run well, zone heavy systems arent easy. And Linehan has shown some good designs as a ehole, while changing him out now could hurt Daks progrsssion.

That said - too.complex on defense can be hurtful. And Linehan made some.dumb play selections. So i couod see it go either way

[Calvert28]

21 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

I havent heard anything about the coordinators keeping their jobs. But Id say it makes sense either way. Marinelli's system takes years of study to run well, zone heavy systems arent easy. And Linehan has shown some good designs as a ehole, while changing him out now could hurt Daks progrsssion.

That said - too.complex on defense can be hurtful. And Linehan made some.dumb play selections. So i couod see it go either way

Can has regressed a bit. Not progressed. Linehan did not do him any favorsbthis year. He was a huge problem this year with just "keeping faith in the system".  Linehan was never a good fit for JG's Jimmy Johnson style offense. 

[The_Slamman]

2 hours ago, Dallas94Ware said:

While very hard to read with the lack of grammar, some of what you said carries some weight. A few points however -

 

Stop it with the Jerry stuff. This has not been a valid point since 2003. Its been over a decade now. Jerry no longer calls the shots on his own. Stop looking for easy scapegoats. When he brought in Parcells, that mostly was tamed. Stephen and McClay have vetoed Jerry several times and Garrett also has tremendous weight on draft day and roster building. Jerry is but a small piece of a cohesive team that has built a good roster from the ground up for dirt cheap. Theres some holes still, and a.lot of youth that needs to be coached up, but stop making Jerry the scapegoat for every roster decision. Hasnt been all on him since 2003. 

Second, ever coached a team? I have. You dont just "get the most out" of players. Guys need to execute. The patriots do whatnthey do because every role is.simplified and straight forward. No one does anything except their one role. Even OLs are swapped between zone.block, power block and pass protect. Thats not a realistic goal for a team to be like. They do it their way, most teams cannot. But thats fine.

The coaches just need to sit players who blow assignments and hold the players accountable - JG is a leader, he is motivational and a good talent evaluator, but there needs to be a discipline factor in there. Benching a player whos screwed up zone assignments took far too long. Get him on the bench after the third or fourth screw up. His feelings get hurt? Too bad. Make him regret his mistake and work harder to.correct it.

The biggest flaw we have seen is basic playernl execution. Bracket coverage on Jeffery in a clear goal line post throw to the big receiver...and he still catches it? Come on, just simplyncome on. Coaches put em in position, and they just failed miserably anyway.

 

Dude, we don’t need you to be the grammar police.  That’s beside the fact that Cowboysdreamer was spot on.  He is 100% correct to call out JJ.  This team still suffers from the same ailment it’s had for well over a decade... it’s top heavy.  It’s too reliant on Sean Lee and Zeke.  We have seriously lacked depth across the board.  Our season was derailed due to a non QB missing 6 games.  Our season was derailed because Sean Lee, a player with an injury history, missed games due to injury.  Contrast that wth the eagles this year.  

[CAPJ]

3 minutes ago, The_Slamman said:

Dude, we don’t need you to be the grammar police.  That’s beside the fact that Cowboysdreamer was spot on.  He is 100% correct to call out JJ.  This team still suffers from the same ailment it’s had for well over a decade... it’s top heavy.  It’s too reliant on Sean Lee and Zeke.  We have seriously lacked depth across the board.  Our season was derailed due to a non QB missing 6 games.  Our season was derailed because Sean Lee, a player with an injury history, missed games due to injury.  Contrast that wth the eagles this year.  

Jerry deserves to get called out but my main issue is Jason Garrett as a coach. Every team suffers injuries. We lose Romo and can barely win 1 game. How many games in past seasons has Big Ben missed but the Steelers have survived. Philly lost Wentz and still won games. Minnesota lost Bradford and Cook and still win games. They make a game plan around what they have. 

We lose Sean Lee and all of a sudden our defense couldnt stop a High School team. We do not adapt to anything. We try to make players fit our game plan instead of planning around what we have. 

We run the same plays on offense and have become so predictable nothing scares the defense. How many times a game do we put Noah Brown in motion and run a play action bootleg only to see the DE did not bite and has a free run at Dak? We need a new coach and new coordinators. Jerry is going to be Jerry, I am just hoping Steven continues to get more say in what goes on.

[Tony7188]

8 minutes ago, The_Slamman said:

Dude, we don’t need you to be the grammar police.  That’s beside the fact that Cowboysdreamer was spot on.  He is 100% correct to call out JJ.  This team still suffers from the same ailment it’s had for well over a decade... it’s top heavy.  It’s too reliant on Sean Lee and Zeke.  We have seriously lacked depth across the board.  Our season was derailed due to a non QB missing 6 games.  Our season was derailed because Sean Lee, a player with an injury history, missed games due to injury.  Contrast that wth the eagles this year.  

Yet we keep saying that Will McClay is one of the best during draft time and scouting/evaluating talent. If the team still lacks depth, shouldn't he receive blame? 

[WizardHawk]

19 minutes ago, Tony7188 said:

Yet we keep saying that Will McClay is one of the best during draft time and scouting/evaluating talent. If the team still lacks depth, shouldn't he receive blame? 

Definitely should get some. I believe one of the biggest issues Dallas has at draft time is too many voices in the room. I get it has worked out in certain instances (Dak, Shariff Floyd), but there really shouldn't be anyone overriding McClay. Charlton over Watt shouldn't happen because JG pounds the table.The draft is McClay's baby. Let him roll with it. 

[Calvert28]

1 hour ago, The_Slamman said:

Dude, we don’t need you to be the grammar police.  That’s beside the fact that Cowboysdreamer was spot on.  He is 100% correct to call out JJ.  This team still suffers from the same ailment it’s had for well over a decade... it’s top heavy.  It’s too reliant on Sean Lee and Zeke.  We have seriously lacked depth across the board.  Our season was derailed due to a non QB missing 6 games.  Our season was derailed because Sean Lee, a player with an injury history, missed games due to injury.  Contrast that wth the eagles this year.  

Well let's give credit where credits due. Jerruh has taken some steps back and hopefully this progresses. Stephen for his set backs is more of an ideal GM. 

Lee is a transcendent player as is Zeke really. We need players like that. Sure we live and die by them but so does the Pats do with Brady. So did the Packers with Rodgers and Woodson. Steelers with Ben and Polumalu. Until Dal comes into his own and takes that next step, we need Zeke like that. Same with Lee. We need those kinds of players to get us over the hump. The ones who elevate everyone around them. 

Jerruh may not be totally gone but it's better then what it was. So I'm grateful for that even if he does still hinder us on coaching candidates.  

[D82]

1 hour ago, WizardHawk said:

Definitely should get some. I believe one of the biggest issues Dallas has at draft time is too many voices in the room. I get it has worked out in certain instances (Dak, Shariff Floyd), but there really shouldn't be anyone overriding McClay. Charlton over Watt shouldn't happen because JG pounds the table.The draft is McClay's baby. Let him roll with it. 

I was just going to bring this up - how often have we heard that McClay/scouting department was overridden by one of the coaches/Jerry? Who's to say this team wouldn't be a little more stocked if they were given complete control?

[DaBoys]

I'm happy with the drafting. I don't want to go back to Barbie Carpenter, Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins. Maybe not perfect sure, but who is doing better over the last 3 -5 years? Sure it could be even better if it was more unified maybe, but let's not mess with it. Zeke, Dak, Anthony Brown, Malik Collins, Jourdan Lewis, Xavier Woods, Chidobe Awuzie, hopefully Jaylon Smith since 2018 is/was supposed to be the year he made the leap, Taco over Watt sucks but he still has time to improve. He had a sack last week, and 3 sacks on the year. Demarcus Lawrence had 9 sacks in his first three years combined, and he's a god now. He also has the size to be an every downer. Watt would probably always be a 3rd down specialist in a 4-3 or forced to move to the seldom used Sam position. I get it. 

 

Of course when we can't afford to bring in legitimate FAs every miss in the draft is amplified, but we shouldn't be drafting for depth.

 

The draft is not the issue. It's Free Agency. Free agency is where we want to "fill out," our roster. The problem is we suck at evaluating FAs I guess.

 

Maybe our secondary would have had more experience/depth if Nolan Carroll was actually good. Maybe people wouldn't be clamouring for a DT if Paea would have did what he did last time he played under Marinelli.

I get we haven't had much money, but the reason we lack depth is because of our FA "hauls" the last few years. Our drafts are producing stars. The goal is to moneyball Free Agency to achieve well rounded depth but it hasn't worked.

[D82]

15 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

I'm happy with the drafting. I don't want to go back to Barbie Carpenter, Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins. Maybe not perfect sure, but who is doing better over the last 3 -5 years? Sure it could be even better if it was more unified maybe, but let's not mess with it. Zeke, Dak, Anthony Brown, Malik Collins, Jourdan Lewis, Xavier Woods, Chidobe Awuzie, hopefully Jaylon Smith since 2018 is/was supposed to be the year he made the leap, Taco over Watt sucks but he still has time to improve. He had a sack last week, and 3 sacks on the year. Demarcus Lawrence had 9 sacks in his first three years combined, and he's a god now. He also has the size to be an every downer. Watt would probably always be a 3rd down specialist in a 4-3 or forced to move to the seldom used Sam position. I get it. 

 

Of course when we can't afford to bring in legitimate FAs every miss in the draft is amplified, but we shouldn't be drafting for depth.

 

The draft is not the issue. It's Free Agency. Free agency is where we want to "fill out," our roster. The problem is we suck at evaluating FAs I guess.

 

Maybe our secondary would have had more experience/depth if Nolan Carroll was actually good. Maybe people wouldn't be clamouring for a DT if Paea would have did what he did last time he played under Marinelli.

I get we haven't had much money, but the reason we lack depth is because of our FA "hauls" the last few years. Our drafts are producing stars. The goal is to moneyball Free Agency to achieve well rounded depth but it hasn't worked.

Fair point. We have flexibility this year to add cap space. Even if we don't, we should be able to be a little more proactive in free agency as opposed to sitting back and picking up scraps.

[WizardHawk]

15 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

The draft is not the issue. It's Free Agency. Free agency is where we want to "fill out," our roster. The problem is we suck at evaluating FAs I guess.

Spot on. 

[Calvert28]

1 hour ago, DaBoys said:

I'm happy with the drafting. I don't want to go back to Barbie Carpenter, Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins. Maybe not perfect sure, but who is doing better over the last 3 -5 years? Sure it could be even better if it was more unified maybe, but let's not mess with it. Zeke, Dak, Anthony Brown, Malik Collins, Jourdan Lewis, Xavier Woods, Chidobe Awuzie, hopefully Jaylon Smith since 2018 is/was supposed to be the year he made the leap, Taco over Watt sucks but he still has time to improve. He had a sack last week, and 3 sacks on the year. Demarcus Lawrence had 9 sacks in his first three years combined, and he's a god now. He also has the size to be an every downer. Watt would probably always be a 3rd down specialist in a 4-3 or forced to move to the seldom used Sam position. I get it. 

 

 

Bobby Carpenter I am still convinced was a fluke draft pick. Dude was rock solid coming out. Still trying to figure out what went wrong with him.