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Who Shoud We Select at # 4?

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Who Shoud We Select at # 4 (Colts Plz Win)?  

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  1. 1. Who Shoud We Select at # 4 (Assuming the Colts don't Screw Us)?

    • DE Bradley Chubb, NC State
      3
    • CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
      7
    • RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
      20
    • Trade Down Baby!!
      6
    • SS/LB Derwin James, Florida State
      1
    • CB Denzel Ward, Ohio State
      0
    • WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
      0
    • Other
      0

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If you feel like doing more than just voting in the poll:

1. State the players name.

2. Make the case for the player you want at #4

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There are no prospects worthy of the selection beyond Bradley Chubb, Saquon Barkley, and Minkah Fitzpatrick in my mind.

The only other option is not at a position of need; that is, OG Quenton Nelson Notre Dame (who is worth every bit of positive assessment).

My vote is for Bradley Chubb.

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Minkah Fitzpatrick played Strong Safety exclusively this year along with nickel S/Corner not FS or in the deep post. He's best in press man coverage as a nickel or boundary Corner or down in the box as an underneath supreme coverage SS and is not a natural FS. He is a bigger and better pass covering Jabrill Peppers in the Tyrann Mathieu nickel playmaker role. That is, he is a chess piece to be moved around. .Great tackler. He's a really good football player who can range in the post as FS but his eye and diagnosis instincts/habits leave much to be desired. People are calling him a FS now not b/c he plays there, not because they've watched him play there on tape, but because draft sites and pundits speak of him that way as well as the fact that he's a converted Corner to Safety and doesn't pack the punch of a typical SS. Soon people will figure this thing out. I'd be willing to bet he is drafted as a CB with Tyrann Mathieu chess piece versatility. He'll be a terror as a nickel player. Right now he is a versatile defensive back who will provide most value as a boundary corner on early downs and a nickel CB/S on passing downs. His skill set is a little redundant with that of Jabrill Peppers albeit Minkah is still very well suited as a CB. If we have a plan for him to utilize his versatility, then the selection makes all the sense in the world.

Bradley Chubb: Elite hustle, effort, and strength for an advanced pass rushing technician. His pass rushing technique is not all that close to Bosa coming out of college (but then who is), but he has an array of outside power, bull rush, and speed to burst around the edge. Not the speed skater, agile, all everything pass rusher that Myles is, but he's a more powerful and gifted version of Vikings DE Everson Griffin. Ready made pass rusher that will command double teams and is equally as proficient in run stopping. Has a natural instinct for the strip sack and routinely makes coaches dream effort game changing plays like chasing a player down 20 or 40 yards down the field extending with every last drop of effort to be rewarded by a game changing momentum shifting forced fumble. He'll be a 10 sack player out the gate and is already everything we hope Ogbah develops into. Ogbah is a hell of a player but if you don't have 2 elite pass rusher, you have none as the primary can be doubled and triple teamed to neutralize them as Myles has been repeatedly. Ogbah is a run stuffing specialist with pass rush upside but is not consistent at beating his man 1 on 1 despite being the most talented athlete on the field. As the Jags have shown, 3 pass rushers are what make a defense a real force (Yannick, Calais Campbell,Donte Fowler). The combo of Ogbah, Chubb, and Garrett can create an identity for us that can be a decisive force affecting the oppositions QB in a variety of ways. There are 3 positions you don't pass up if there are elite pro bowl blue chip talents available unless you already have a pro bowl blue chip talent on your roster (Ogbah is not that despite being a really good player): 1. QB, 2. OT (The guy who protects the QB), and 3. DE (The guy most able to attack/affect the QB).

Saquon Barkely: There's not much to say about him that hasn't been said before. There are some concerns regarding if he has the vision and foot/speed pacing to set up blocks and sense where the hole is developing in a pro running scheme. All his runs allow him to shoot out of a cannon from the shotgun via a read option look or run counters from the gun. He accelerates immediately and out athletes opposing defenses. But there is so much more to being an effective runner in the pros that we just haven't seen Saquon have the opportunity to prove to us he is capable of. I wouldn't bet against him.But in a draft of RB depth w/ a GM who can find RBs throughout the draft that can impact the offense, the main argument against taking Saquon top 5 is that it's probably a better judgment to use top of round 1 draft capital on impact positions for which there is never really any depth and the talent is scarce (DE, CB, QB, OT). Therefore, even though he's a tremendous player it might be smarter to take a guy like Minkah Fitzpatrick/Bradley Chubb and come back with a capable impact runner like Rashaad Penny (my favorite RB in the draft) in the middle rounds as opposed to Saquon Barkely at 4 and nonimpact Nate Orchard types later on. Beyond who I personally think we should draft at 4 (Bradley Chubb), Dorsey unearthed Kareem Hunt in the 3rd round and recent success may cause him to forego selecting a RB at the top of the first round.

 

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Aztec Hammer

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I'm actually flexible on this one. Originally wanted a trade down out of instinct. More thought led me towards Fitzpatrick. Further thought is leading me towards an f it attitude... of give me the best player. Saquon. We can do worse than touchdown makers and an elite player at an important position, even if you can generally find value there later. Quarterback's best friend.

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I think it’s really dependent on free agency. But there are several players I would consider at 4. I mean the expectation is big Joe will be back next year but what if he hangs it up? Then LT will have to be a consideration. We couldn’t afford to have another rookie QB taking lumps behind Drago. (Who has played better than what I expected). 

That said my list right now is:

Fitz

Barkley

Chubb

but wouldn’t be mad with a trade down for capital next year or another player who shows they are worthy of the pick. 

QB at 1 regardless of free agency though. Then we fill the roster with needed talent. 

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If he's there, Minkah. Forget this knee jerk "Barkley was great in a bowl game, take him!" I wouldn't be ticked about it, he's good, but we can get a RB who is 85% of Barkley in the late 2nd/3rd. I don't think we can get a FS/CB/SS/SCB that is 85% of Fitzpatrick in the same range.

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5 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

For those advocating Minkah, where do you see him playing next year in our current defense (assuming Williams and this scheme remain)?

Minkah would be the FS and could come down for coverage. Peppers will be a box safety. I don’t think we run the deep safety next year if Minkah is the selection. I think with him there are a ton of possibilities for Williams to get creative with safeties. 

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LETSGOBROWNIES

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1 minute ago, OttoGrahamsGhost said:

Minkah would be the FS and could come down for coverage. Peppers will be a box safety. I don’t think we run the deep safety next year if Minkah is the selection. I think with him there are a ton of possibilities for Williams to get creative with safeties. 

What about Kindred? He was pretty damned good this year.

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