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Just now, Texasmade said:

Malik is overrated. It's not even a given that he's going to be a starter this year.

Connor Williams is legit though. PJ Locke, Kris Boyd and Charles Omenihu are 3 guys I'd keep an eye on. 

Wait...seriously? What the heck happened there?

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2 hours ago, Desperado82 said:

Wait...seriously? What the heck happened there?

He's not physical. Like at all. He's a terrible tackler. He doesn't take on blocks, nor does he get off them. He's been playing out of position the last 2 years, and that certainly hasn't helped, but even if he were in the right position, if you lack the physicality to do  those things, you're going to struggle. 

Hopefully the light turns on for him this year, but to date the new staff is struggling to get him to do those things, just as the previous one did. 

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The two obvious ones for the Cavaliers are

LB Micah Kiser
FS Quin Blanding

Not to say that there aren't other guys, but those are the main ones (and given how little this team will likely do this year, you probably won't hear much of anyone else).

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Alabama Crimson Tide

DB Minkah FItzpatrick - Can play and has great upside at every position in the secondary. Round 1

LB Rashaan Evans - His explosiveness and fluidity in space make him the prototypical modern-day LB. Round 1

WR Calvin Ridley - Great speed and sure hands and runs sharp routes. Kind of slight build and will turn 24 as a rookie. Round 1-2

S Ronnie Harrison - Covers TEs, RBs, and slot receivers effectively. Good in run support. His aggressiveness has gotten him beat deep from time to time though. Best fit long-term is most likely as a primarily box safety. Also gets too emotional, a bit of a loose cannon. Round 1-3

DL Da'Ron Payne - Another 2-gap defensive lineman out of Bama. Has shown the occasional flash of pass rushing potential. Round 2-3

RB Bo Scarbrough - Great combination of size, power and speed. Unfortunately he's injury prone with serious injuries dating back to his high school days. Round 2-3

LB Shaun Dion Hamilton - Solid all-around LB. Probably best suited as a 4-3 WILL. Round 3-5

DL DaShawn Hand - Hasn't really lived up to lofty recruiting rankings but is a decent player and still has the size/athleticism to continue to progress. Round 3-5

DB Tony Brown - Certainly looks the part and is an elite athlete but to this point he hasn't really excelled at any particular position after spending time at almost every DB spot over the course of his career at Alabama. Round 3-5

RB Damien Harris - Tough runner with good balance and vision. Nothing spectacular but he gets the job done. Round 3-5

C Bradley Bozeman - Graded out as our best pass protector last season IIRC. Solid in the run game as well. Round 3-5

CB Anthony Averett - One of the fastest players on the team and really improved as the season went along. Kinda smallish though and gets bullied by bigger receivers. Round 3-5

WR Robert Foster - Great speed and quickness to go with good size. Has shown flashes but injuries and (rumored) off-field issues have kept him from producing. Round 5-7


2018+ guys to watch:

RB Josh Jacobs

EDGE Christian Miller

EDGE Terrell Lewis

LT Jonah Williams

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9 hours ago, Woz said:

The two obvious ones for the Cavaliers are

LB Micah Kiser
FS Quin Blanding

Not to say that there aren't other guys, but those are the main ones (and given how little this team will likely do this year, you probably won't hear much of anyone else).

Andrew Brown is getting some attention as well

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rb akrum wadley

ot boone myers

oc james daniels

og sean welsh

ot ike boettger

dl matt nelson

dl matt bazata

dl anthony nelson

lb ben niemann

lb josey jewell

lb bo bower


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Penn State

Pretty small senior class this year.

RB - Saquon Barkley (day 1)

TE - Mike Gesicki (day 2, slight chance at day 1)

S - Marcus Allen (day 2)

OG/OT - Brendan Mahon (day 3)

LB - Jason Cabinda (day 3)

CB - Christian Campbell ( day 3)

WR - DaeSean Hamilton (day 3)

WR - Saeed Blacknall ( day 3/UDFA)

K - Tyler Davis (UDFA, but will be one of the most NFL-ready kickers this year)

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On 8/11/2017 at 7:16 AM, IDOG_det said:

Andrew Brown is getting some attention as well

True true. Forgot about him (so do a lot of people).

The real problem is that while we've got a fair amount of talent on the defense, the offense looks woeful. Yes, we have Benkert who was decent last year, and our two leading receivers last year (if you can name them without looking them up, you're a better man than I). I've been beaten down enough as a Wahoo fan to expect next to nothing. Outside of one fluke season in 2004 (or was it 2005?), I haven't been wrong since George Welsh left.

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The guy on Mizzou who I'm interested in seeing this year is their TE Kendall Blanton. 6'6 260...getting a lot of buzz here. 

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A lot of these guys are difficult for me to project, and many are juniors. I combined the late round and mid round guys, after initially separating them. 

1st Round:

SS Derwin James

CB Travares McFadden

Borderline 1st

DT Derrick Nnadi

DE Josh Sweat


QB Deondre Francois

OT Brock Ruble

TE Ryan Izzo

LB Matthew Thomas

Mid Round/Late Round:

OC Alec Elerbe

RB Jaques Patrick

OT Rick Leonard

WR Auden Tate

WR Nyquan Murry

DE/LB Jacob Pugh

SS: Nate Andrews

DB: Trey Marshall



Edited by freak_of_nature

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C Frank Ragnow- Top 3 rounds. Probably just coachspeak, but Bielema called him maybe the best offensive lineman he's ever coached. Joe Thomas and Travis Frederick are a high bar but he's definitely one of the favorites for the Rimington going into the year.

QB Austin Allen- Led the SEC in passing in his first year starting despite an awful OL that got him nearly killed. Will take some risks and sling the ball around but needs to watch the interceptions. Not sure exactly how he projects at the next level but could go anywhere from 4th-6th IMO.

WR Jared Cornelius- PFF had him as one of the most efficient slot receivers in college last year. Dealt with quite a few injuries but he'll be the #1 guy this year. Went for 146 yards on Alabama last year. He's quick but he doesn't really do anything to stand out from most NFL slot receivers so I'm not sure where to put him. 6th or 7th round if I had to guess.

We're a pretty young team overall this year so that's probably it for the seniors.

Juniors to watch out for:

LB Dre Greenlaw- Productive player, but has been injury prone. Fits the mold of the smaller S/OLB type that can make plays across the field.

CB Ryan Pulley- Could be our highest drafted corner since Chris Houston in 2008. 

TE Jeremy Patton- #1 ranked JUCO TE who fits our offense really well and we've done a great job at sending TEs to the NFL.



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My top position cores in college football posted earlier this summer

Oklahoma: B. Mayfield, K. Murray, A. Kendall 
Michigan: W. Speight, B. Peters, J. O'Korn, A. Malzone 
Georgia: J. Eason, J. Fromm 
Florida: M. Zaire, F. Franks, L. Del Rio 
Auburn: J. Stidham, S. White 
Ohio State: JT. Barrett, J. Burrow, T. Martell 
Florida State: D. Francois, J Cosentino 
Alabama: J. Hurts, T. Tagovailoa 
Stanford: K. Chryst, R. Burns, JK Costello 
NC State: R. Finley, J. McClendon 

Alabama: Bo Scarbrough, N. Harris, D. Harris, J. Jacobs, BJ Emmons 
Michigan: C. Evans, T. Isaac, K. Higdon K. Walker, K. Hill, H. Poggi 
Auburn: K. Pettway, K. Johnson, K. Martin 
Georgia: N. Chubb, S. Michel, E. Holyfield 
Florida: J. Scarlett, L. Perine, M. Thompson 
Florida State: C. Akers, J. Patrick, R. Green 
Minnesota: S. Brooks, R. Smith, K. McCrary, J. Femi-Cole 
Western Michigan: J. Franklin, J. Bogan, D. Tucker 
Kansas State: J. Ertz, J. Silmon, W. Dimel, A. Barnes. C. Jones 

Oklahoma State: J. Washington, J. McCleskey, M. Ateman, C. Lacy 
Penn State: D. Hamilton, S. Blacknall, J. Johnson, B. Polk, D. Thompkins 
Alabama: C. Ridley, R. Foster, C. Sims, J. Jeudy 
Florida: A. Callaway, B. Powell, T. Cleveland, J. Hammond 
Ohio State: B. Victor J. Dixon, P. Campbell 
Florida State: N. Murray, A. Tate, D. Phillips, K. Gavin 
Texas: C. Johnson, J. Heard, J. Burt, Hemphill-Mapps, A. Foreman 
Clemson: D. Cain, T. Higgins, H. Renfrow, R. McCloud 
Washington: D. Pettis, C. McClatcher, A. Fuller 
Ole Miss: AJ Brown, V. Jefferson, D. Lodge, M. Pack 
Colorado: S. Fields, D. Ross, B. Bobo, J. MacIntyre 
Houston: L. Bonner, S. Dunbar, D. King 

Michigan: I. Bunting, T. Wheatley, S. McKeon, Z. Gentry, N. Eubanks 
Florida: C. Lewis, D. Goolsby, C. Knight 
Ohio State: M. Baugh, AJ. Alexander 
Florida State: R. Izzo, Sanders 
UCLA: D. Asiasi, A. Roberts, C. Wilson 
Alabama: H. Henteges, M. Forristall, C. Stewart 
Georgia: J. Blazevich, I. Nauta 

Michigan: M. Cole, M. Onwenu, G. Robinson, C. Ruiz, G. Newsome, B. Bredeson, J. Bushell-Beatty, P. Kugler, J. Runyan 
Ohio State: J. Jones, B. Price, M. Jordan, M.Pridgeon, I. Prince 
Oklahoma: O. Brown, B. Evans, J. Alvarez, E. Wren, B. Powers 
Alabama: Bozeman, Pierschbacher, M Womack, J. Williams, Warmack, L. Cotton, Hassenauer 
Washington: T. Adams, A. Kirkland, C. Shelton, N. Harris, K. McGary 
Notre Dame: M. McGlinchey, Q. Nelson, S. Mustipher, A. Bars. 
Penn State: C. McGovern, C. Wright, B. Mahon, A. Nelson, R. Bates 
Texas: C. Williams, P. Vahe, Z. Shackelford, B. Hodges 
LSU: M. Teuhema, T. Weathersby, KJ. Malone, G. Brumfield, W. Clapp, C. Okeke 
Florida State: A. Eberle, D. Kelly, M. Arnold, R. Leonard, J. Ball, B. Ruble 
Florida: M. Ivey, J. Taylor, K. Harkless, F. Johnson 

Clemson: C. Wilkins, D. Lawrence, C. Ferrell, A. Bryant, L. Davis 
Ohio State: S. Hubbard, M. Hill, T. Lewis, N. Bosa, J. Holmes 
Michigan: R. Gary, M. Hurst, B. Mone, C. Winovich, C. Kemp, L. Marshall 
Florida State: D. Nnadi, Burns, Sweat, Pugh, Christmas, J. Robinson 
Miami FL: C. Thomas, K. Norton, RJ McIntosh, J. Jackson, T. Harris 
LSU: A. Key, C. LaCouture, F. Herron, R. Lawrence, G. Gilmore E. Alexander 
Alabama: D. Payne, D. Hand, Frazier, J. Dwight, R. Davis 
NC State: B. Chubb, BJ Hill, D. Roseboro, Ju. Jones 
Stanford: H. Phillips, D. Jackson, E. Cotton, P. Kalambayi 
USC: R. Green, P. Gustin, K. Bigelow, J. Fatu 
Texas: C. Omenihu, M. Roach, N. Hughes, P. Ford 
Washington: V. Vea, G. Gaines, J. Johnson 
Oklahoma: N. Gallimore, M. Romar, O. Okoronkwo, DJ Ward. 

Alabama: R. Evans, C. Miller, A. Jennings, T. Hall, D. Hamilton, J. Mosley, K. Holcombe 
Georgia: L. Carter, D. Bellamy, R. Carter, R. Smith, D. Walker, N. Patrick 
Miami FL: S. Quarterman, Z. McCloud, M. Pinckney 
Michigan: M. McCray, D. Bush, R. Jones, N. Furbush, J. Glasgow 
Ohio State: J. Baker, C. Worley, D. Booker, T. Borland 
Kentucky: J. Allen, J. Jones, C. Love, J. Davis, J. Watson 
Penn State: J. Cabinda, M. Bowen, C. Brown, K. Farmer, B. Smith 
Washington: A. Victor, K. Bierria, Beavers, C. O'Brien 
Texas: M. Jefferson, B. Hager, N. Hughes, A. Wheeler, E. Freeman, J. McCulloch 
Wisconsin: Dooley, Cichy, Edwards, Connelly, Z. Baun, C. Bell 
Florida State: M. Thomas, R. Hoskins, D. Jackson 
Iowa: J. Jewell, B. Bower, B. Niemann 
LSU: D. White, D. Alexander, M. Divinity 
Notre Dame: N. Morgan, T. Coney, D. Tranquill, G. Martini 
BYU: F. Warner, B. Pau'u, F. Bernard 
UCONN: J. Joseph, V. Diggs, EJ Levenberry 

Florida State: D. James, T. McFadden, N. Andrews, T. Marshall, E. Lane, M. Lewis, AJ Westbrook, L. Taylor, S. Samuels, K. House 
Alabama: M. Fitzpatrick, R. Harrison, Averett, T. Brown, L. Wallace, H. Jones, T. Diggs 
LSU: K. Toliver, D. Jackson, Ed. Paris, G. Delpit, S. Smith, J. Battle. 
Indiana: R. Fant, J. Crawford, A. Riggins, M. Ball 
Florida: D. Dawson, C. Gardner, N. Washington, M. Harris 
Ohio State: K. Sheffield, D. Ward, D. Webb, J. Okudah 
VT: B. Facyson, G. Stroman, M. Reynolds, T. Edmunds, A. Alexander 
Iowa: M. Rugamba, Synder, M. Taylor, M. Ojemudia, J. Gervase 
Texas A&M: A. Watts, D. Wilson, N. Harvey, P. Willis 
Colorado: I. Oliver, N. Fisher, A. Laguda, A. Juimisse 
South Carolina: J. King, C. Lammons, DJ. Smith, S. Montac 
Tennessee: R. Gaulden, J. Martin, T. Kelly, E. Berry, E. Moseley, M. Abernathy 
Arkansas: R. Pulley, J. Liddell, S. Ramirez, H. Toliver 

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For Virginia Tech

WR Cam Phillips

OG Wyatt Teller

LB Tremaine Edmunds

CB Adonis Alexander

CB Brandon Facyson


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1 hour ago, RamRod said:

For Virginia Tech

WR Cam Phillips

OG Wyatt Teller

LB Tremaine Edmunds

CB Adonis Alexander

CB Brandon Facyson


True, you could put all of these guys on that list as well of potential NFL prospects.  

Andrew Motuapuaka

Greg Stroman

Travon McMillian 

Vinny Mihota

Terrell Edmunds

Trevon Hill

Mook Reynolds

Divine Deablo

Josh Jackson


Tremaine Edmunds I really like as a linebacker, great athlete at that size, and his brother is a very interesting safety.  Stroman is a long shot at corner but is a decent return man and athlete.  Deablo could be a star safety and Jackson impressed for his first game at quarterback as a freshman.  If they had a better DL they would easily be one of the best defenses in the nation with all of those quality defensive backs.  Still did get ripped apart in that game in terms of pass coverage but again that would be different if they got better pressure on the QB potentially.


Alexander could play himself into being a 2nd or 3rd round pick if he keeps this up as well, and Teller is a tough guard inside, not to mention Motuapuaka is a fine tackler at inside linebacker.



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Clemson Tigers

We are very young this year


Dorian O'Daniel (rSR)-not sure on grade yet, really athletic but undersized OLB will have a huge role on D this year which will determine stock

Tyrone Crowder (rSR)-UDFA, good run blocker but overweight

Underclassmen likely to declare

Christian Wilkins (JR)-1st round

Clelin Ferrell (rSO)-1st round

Mitch Hyatt (JR)-2nd round

Deon Cain (JR)-3rd round with the potential to move up as he is the guy this year

Underclassmen unlikely to declare barring a big year

Kendall Joseph (rJR)-I can see him leaving early as he will likely have graduated, tackling machine

Austin Bryant (JR)-I can see him leaving early, was hurt last year but looks great physically this year and had a strong freshman year (lots of PT in playoffs)

Hunter Renfrow (rJR)-I see him playing out his college eligibility but it's not like his stock is ever going to improve so he may leave, elite route runner with with great hands

Van Smith (JR)-Not high on him



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