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End of Season Positional Analysis

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16 minutes ago, TheVillain112 said:

I'm with you on OL being priority #1.  I guess I just disagree with everyone else on what priority #2 is.  Everyone (and you guys are probably right) think it's LB, while I think it's DT.  Probably because I have a man crush on Jordan Evans still...

No. Jordan Evans definitely had his moments, I guess I just trust Glasgow and Billings more to fill one spot than Evans to fill two.  

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1 hour ago, TheVillain112 said:

Vea can beat one on one better than Sims, Billings, or Glasgow.  If there's pressure up the middle, it will force the QB off of their spot.  For QBs like Wilson, Rodgers, Wentz, it probably won't have as much of an effect but for the majority of QBs it will. Also by not allowing the QB to step up in the pocket, it helps the DEs get more sacks.  Right now teams double Geno and occasionally will chip/help on Lawson.  They'll keep doing that in 2018, but with Vea and Dunlap they can make them pay.

Also IMO any LB we draft will still be behind Burfict, Vigil and Jordan Evans.  But a DT can immediately step in and start next to Geno.  Call it a pipe dream...xD 

Or they re-sign Sims and the rookie sits....

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52 minutes ago, Beck Bristow said:

No. Jordan Evans definitely had his moments, I guess I just trust Glasgow and Billings more to fill one spot than Evans to fill two.  

Marquise Flowers played a good game for the Patriots this past Sunday.  Great coaching must be nice...

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5 hours ago, INbengalfan said:

Or they re-sign Sims and the rookie sits....

Yeah Sims is definitely starting next year.  Calling it now.  I can't see any draft pick or FA unseating him.  

Long time vet?  Check

Underwhelming performance?  Check

Guaranteed roster spot?  Check

Guaranteed starter?  Check

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Come on J!  It's a new era!  They will sign Sims cheap or depth, and to keep from having to draft a DT, but he will be beaten out if there is a better player.

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We do need to start looking for potential replacements at some point for Atkins and Dunlap in the next 2 years. At some point production is gonna drop off 

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12 minutes ago, johndeere1707 said:

We do need to start looking for potential replacements at some point for Atkins and Dunlap in the next 2 years. At some point production is gonna drop off 

IMO, Lawson and Willis are both starter quality.  I'm good with those two replacing MJ93 and Dunlap.  We then can draft/sign depth behind them (although I like Chris Smith) which will be critical in another offseason.

DT is however a big need already.  When Geno takes a breathier (which with his sickle cell is a bit more than most DTs), we have zero interior pass rush.  That needs to change...

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30 minutes ago, TheVillain112 said:

IMO, Lawson and Willis are both starter quality.  I'm good with those two replacing MJ93 and Dunlap.  We then can draft/sign depth behind them (although I like Chris Smith) which will be critical in another offseason.

DT is however a big need already.  When Geno takes a breathier (which with his sickle cell is a bit more than most DTs), we have zero interior pass rush.  That needs to change...

Lawson isn’t really a 4-3 DE, he’s a pass rush specialist. Willis has be solid but I wouldn’t say he’s ready to be a starter either 

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13 minutes ago, johndeere1707 said:

Lawson isn’t really a 4-3 DE, he’s a pass rush specialist. Willis has be solid but I wouldn’t say he’s ready to be a starter either 

I disagree.  One of the best 4-3 DEs in the NFL right now is Brandon Graham (6'2 265 lbs), Carl Lawson is 6'2 260 lbs.  The key is to have a rotation which we do now with Lawson, Willis, Dunlap and Chris Smith (And MJ93 unfortunately).  We should eliminate MJ93 and bring in another DE in another offseason that can add to that rotation.

I'm too lazy to look up snap counts but we should play Lawson around the same snap count wise as Philly does for Graham.  The problem we run into if we try to have a 'run play DE' and a 'pass rush DE' is teams can just go into a no huddle when MJ93 is on the field and we're toast.  But if you rotate Lawson with a guy like Chris Long, Derrek Barnet, or Vinny Curry then you have multiple guys that can rush the passer.  Plus Lawson can play the run, he's not a liability.  You just don't want him playing 1,000+ defensive snaps a season which is where the rotation comes in...

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15 minutes ago, Beck Bristow said:

Way to kill the conversation Villain. No one wants to read those long posts.

So here's something I find interesting.  Let's look back at the 2009 NFL Draft.

Jason Smith, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe were all drafted before Alex Mack, Eric Wood, and Max Unger.  NFL undervalues interior OL...

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1 hour ago, TheVillain112 said:

So here's something I find interesting.  Let's look back at the 2009 NFL Draft.

Jason Smith, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe were all drafted before Alex Mack, Eric Wood, and Max Unger.  NFL undervalues interior OL...

Yes, 9 years ago the NFL undervalued interior OL.  Since then several interior linemen have gone high.

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