incognito_man Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Just now, Acrid Josher said: Since when are we talking about the Vikings? it struck my memory. They averaged 5.3 YPA passing and 5.4 YPA rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Acrid Josher said: If we only look at averages: why ever run? Pass YPA is always higher than run YPA. It's not that Jones didn't get ALL the carries, it's that he didn't get MORE carries. He was clearly the best running back we had this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 1/3/2018 at 6:39 AM, HorizontoZenith said: I just want to know why. I get pass protection, but when you want to run the ball, and if teams know he's not great in pass protection and he's still rushing for 5.5 yards per carry (not tipping that it's a run enough to slow him down), why not keep running him? Don't make no damn sense to me. To me, it looked like Jones was a bit more of a natural runner. My guess would be that maybe they wanted Williams a bit more in pass pro and/or Jones still wasn't quite 100 percent from his prior in-season injuries so they wanted to limit his exposure in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 McCarthy having his end of season presser right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 McCarthy very passionate with this response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, deltarich87 said: McCarthy very passionate with this response You could see MM get a little heated and testy with Jason Wilde during the presser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I wonder if was actually MM's desire to only do 1 year. Maybe he wants to move on unless he gets more control over the roster (talent acquisition). He's a guy with a resume that could dictate a LOT of power on the open market if he wanted to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I wonder if was actually MM's desire to only do 1 year. Maybe he wants to move on unless he gets more control over the roster (talent acquisition). He's a guy with a resume that could dictate a LOT of power on the open market if he wanted to... I just listened to Murphy again and he said the 1 year extension came from TT and him, not MM. MM has also stated on several occasions he has no interest in having roster responsibility or dual role and he mentioned that again in his presser today. He believes its too much for one guy to handle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 TT made it so this year his retirement (or whatever else you want to call it) wouldn't disrupt any coaching changes that MM needed to make. They must have seen the writing on the wall in replacing Capers et. all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 And any incoming GM could evaluate for the first year and go from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 21 hours ago, incognito_man said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/2012.htm reminds me of Ryan Grant in his rookie year whose Y/A were higher than his Y/R. 21 hours ago, Acrid Josher said: Since when are we talking about the Vikings? The context of this discussion is which Packer RB should be run, and if evaluating their relative YPA is a good way to make that decision. of course it's a good way to evaluate which Packer RB should be run. The reason to run is that you a) don't take sacks b) Don't have what's essentially a binary outcome of 0 or 15 yards c) can more easily keep the clock moving so therefore the averages are lower but the likelihood of getting 2-5 yards is much higher than a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrid Josher Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 10 hours ago, skibrett15 said: of course it's a good way to evaluate which Packer RB should be run. The reason to run is that you a) don't take sacks b) Don't have what's essentially a binary outcome of 0 or 15 yards c) can more easily keep the clock moving so therefore the averages are lower but the likelihood of getting 2-5 yards is much higher than a pass. You're missing the context of this discussion- your reply is in agreement with my argument. The question is whether or not you should run guys with a lower YPC than your top guy. The "why ever run" response was an (admittedly flippant) attempt to show why you need to consider more than raw averages when considering play calls and personnel (because pass YPA are almost always higher than run YPC in todays NFL, yet very few people think you should never run). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 So I'm out of state, but do listen to some pod casts. Are any of you hearing the rumor that if Ball is hired as GM, that McCarthy may quit? I don't really see it happening, but just wondered what the buzz up in Wisconia was about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Toddfather said: So I'm out of state, but do listen to some pod casts. Are any of you hearing the rumor that if Ball is hired as GM, that McCarthy may quit? I don't really see it happening, but just wondered what the buzz up in Wisconia was about this. Hi TF - yeah that got out there yesterday in some local reporting. None of the persons involved have made any comment about the story (for good reason....) so we'll just have to see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Toddfather said: So I'm out of state, but do listen to some pod casts. Are any of you hearing the rumor that if Ball is hired as GM, that McCarthy may quit? I don't really see it happening, but just wondered what the buzz up in Wisconia was about this. Doesnt make sense to me. Certainly sounds like MM is making hires for his staff currently. Doesn't make sense for Murphy to let him if he thinks MM might walk depending on the GM hire. Doesn't make sense for MM to do it if he thinks he might walk depending on the GM hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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