packfanfb Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Not really, that correlated with what the beat guys saw every practice too. Practice isn't games. You can be the most improved player in the off-season and get worse on the field. Just means you aren't a gamer, and it's starting to look like Adams isn't. Can't fault Gute. Still remember saying to my buddies he was the #1 player on my board in the 3rd when we were OTC. I would've picked him too. Just isn't the guy he was at Auburn or the Senior Bowl. I wanted his teammate (Lawson) over him when we were OTC but wasn't disappointed with Adams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 minute ago, packfanfb said: I wanted his teammate (Lawson) over him when we were OTC but wasn't disappointed with Adams. Everyone knew Lawson was a medical red unfortunately. After they passed on him for Josh Jones I kind of figured he wasn't on our board, because he was a clear early day 2 pass rusher with a clean bill of health and we needed one and still passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Lol, Pettine got some love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Lol, Pettine got some love. Mom's get to vote, who knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 2:36 PM, coachbuns said: For those who care about upgrades to compete next year. Per PFF: Of the lowest 15 grades on the Packers in 2019 TE, LB, DL dominate those stats ... Lowest 1st With the exception of Rashan Gary and to a lesser extent Blake Martinez, those are all guys we're actively looking to move on from. Nothing on there is groundbreaking. But of those guys that the Packers had in the bottom 10 in PFF grading, only Dean Lowry and Blake Martinez played in 50% of the defensive snaps. If you include anyone who played in 33%+ of the defensive snaps, that would include Tyler Lancaster and Kyler Fackrell. So realistically, you're only looking to actively replace ~4 players. The others are the usual roster turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CWood21 said: With the exception of Rashan Gary and to a lesser extent Blake Martinez, those are all guys we're actively looking to move on from. Nothing on there is groundbreaking. But of those guys that the Packers had in the bottom 10 in PFF grading, only Dean Lowry and Blake Martinez played in 50% of the defensive snaps. If you include anyone who played in 33%+ of the defensive snaps, that would include Tyler Lancaster and Kyler Fackrell. So realistically, you're only looking to actively replace ~4 players. The others are the usual roster turnover. The problem is, the majority of those guys were draft choices. The real problem IMO is they were all low ceiling guys to begin with. You will never get a Fred Warner by drafting Jake Ryan every year. I am sooo over the Martinez, Ryan, Summers mold. Have no clue what they are trying to accomplish Edited February 3, 2020 by cannondale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, cannondale said: The problem is, the majority of those guys were draft choices. The real problem IMO is they were all low ceiling guys to begin with. You will never get a Fred Warner by drafting Jake Ryan every year. Player A: 6'3", 236 lbs, 4.64 40 yard dash, 1.55 10 yard, 6.90 3-cone, 4.28 SS, 38.5 VJ, 9'11" broad Player B: 6'2", 237 lbs, 4.71 40 yard dash, 1.61 10 yard, 6.98 3-cone, 4.20 SS, 28.5 VJ, 9'5" broad Player C: 6'2", 240 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash, 1.62 10 yard, 7.11 3 cone, 4.20 SS, 34.5 VJ, 10' broad Player A is Fred Warner, Player B is Blake Martinez, and Player C is Jake Ryan. Interesting you brought up Jake Ryan instead of Blake Martinez given that Martinez is a more relevant example. Athletically, Ryan and Warner aren't terribly far off. Warner is a bit more explosive (see 10 yard and VJ), and a bit more flexible (see 3 cone), but overall comparable athletes. Jake Ryan was actually more productive than Fred Warner in his final year at Michigan than Warner was at BYU. If you've got a guy who was more productive but a slightly lesser athlete, and one excelled in the NFL and one didn't. That's on the coaching staff. Jake Ryan was a good gamble. Unfortunately, he got hurt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Player A: 6'3", 236 lbs, 4.64 40 yard dash, 1.55 10 yard, 6.90 3-cone, 4.28 SS, 38.5 VJ, 9'11" broad Player B: 6'2", 237 lbs, 4.71 40 yard dash, 1.61 10 yard, 6.98 3-cone, 4.20 SS, 28.5 VJ, 9'5" broad Player C: 6'2", 240 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash, 1.62 10 yard, 7.11 3 cone, 4.20 SS, 34.5 VJ, 10' broad Player A is Fred Warner, Player B is Blake Martinez, and Player C is Jake Ryan. Interesting you brought up Jake Ryan instead of Blake Martinez given that Martinez is a more relevant example. Athletically, Ryan and Warner aren't terribly far off. Warner is a bit more explosive (see 10 yard and VJ), and a bit more flexible (see 3 cone), but overall comparable athletes. Jake Ryan was actually more productive than Fred Warner in his final year at Michigan than Warner was at BYU. If you've got a guy who was more productive but a slightly lesser athlete, and one excelled in the NFL and one didn't. That's on the coaching staff. Jake Ryan was a good gamble. Unfortunately, he got hurt. Great. Now turn on the tape. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, cannondale said: Great. Now turn on the tape. 42 minutes ago, cannondale said: The problem is, the majority of those guys were draft choices. The real problem IMO is they were all low ceiling guys to begin with. You will never get a Fred Warner by drafting Jake Ryan every year. I am sooo over the Martinez, Ryan, Summers mold. Have no clue what they are trying to accomplish Believe that was what he was getting at. They're all relatively the same "mold" you're complaining about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Fl0nkerton said: Believe that was what he was getting at. They're all relatively the same "mold" you're complaining about. Unfortunately, the game isn't played on paper. I guarantee when you turn on the tape you'll see differences. One of the most athletic LB's on paper ever to play for the Packers, who shall forever remain nameless to me, looked average and stiff on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, cannondale said: Unfortunately, the game isn't played on paper. I guarantee when you turn on the tape you'll see differences. One of the most athletic LB's on paper ever to play for the Packers, who shall forever remain nameless to me, looked average and stiff on the field. I know the differences between the players on the field lol. Was just saying that on paper (which means little) they're very close to each other athletically which refutes whatever mold thing you were getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Player A: 6'3", 236 lbs, 4.64 40 yard dash, 1.55 10 yard, 6.90 3-cone, 4.28 SS, 38.5 VJ, 9'11" broad Player B: 6'2", 237 lbs, 4.71 40 yard dash, 1.61 10 yard, 6.98 3-cone, 4.20 SS, 28.5 VJ, 9'5" broad Player C: 6'2", 240 lbs, 4.65 40 yard dash, 1.62 10 yard, 7.11 3 cone, 4.20 SS, 34.5 VJ, 10' broad Player A is Fred Warner, Player B is Blake Martinez, and Player C is Jake Ryan. Interesting you brought up Jake Ryan instead of Blake Martinez given that Martinez is a more relevant example. Athletically, Ryan and Warner aren't terribly far off. Warner is a bit more explosive (see 10 yard and VJ), and a bit more flexible (see 3 cone), but overall comparable athletes. Jake Ryan was actually more productive than Fred Warner in his final year at Michigan than Warner was at BYU. If you've got a guy who was more productive but a slightly lesser athlete, and one excelled in the NFL and one didn't. That's on the coaching staff. Jake Ryan was a good gamble. Unfortunately, he got hurt. He's trying to say you can't have white dudes at ILB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Packers ILB Scouts: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: He's trying to say you can't have white dudes at ILB. Is that really what you think I'm saying ? Edited February 3, 2020 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Fl0nkerton said: I know the differences between the players on the field lol. Was just saying that on paper (which means little) they're very close to each other athletically which refutes whatever mold thing you were getting at. The mold I'm talking about can only be seen when looking at the play on the field, so not sure what you're saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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