Arthur Penske Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 12 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The play calling is exactly the same as it was last year. The running game not meaning a lot is just not true. Our offense is not elite. It's average. Over the course of the season probably but the past few games it has been not been average. 12 is really heating up. Run blocking still seems to have a ways to go. But with the injuries it’s not that surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Arthur Penske said: Tyler Davis gonna end up being a player? I think 12 really liked him IIRC He is a little less athletic, but a little bigger and stronger than Tonyan. If he can offer anything, great. He is probably pennies compared to Tonyan next season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: Over the course of the season probably but the past few games it has been not been average. 12 is really heating up. Run blocking still seems to have a ways to go. But with the injuries it’s not that surprising. Yeah, I wish December 12 would also carry over and be January 12. Part of that is better competition in January but he’s been running tables and closing seasons with a vengeance for a long time now. Whatever disagreements people have over Rodgers’ personality, there is no doubt he gets psyched up for the stretch run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: He is a little less athletic, but a little bigger and stronger than Tonyan. If he can offer anything, great. He is probably pennies compared to Tonyan next season too. Here's something to dream about....... Tyler Davis - 6'4 / 252# Mark Andrews - 6'5 / 256# Davis will cost 895M next year. Tonyan's 6'5 / 237# Edited December 21, 2021 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Leader said: Here's something to dream about....... Tyler Davis - 6'4 / 252# Mark Andrews - 6'5 / 256# Davis will cost 895M next year. Hmmm, don't think we can fit THAT under the cap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Leader said: Here's something to dream about....... Tyler Davis - 6'4 / 252# Mark Andrews - 6'5 / 256# Davis will cost 895M next year. Tonyan's 6'5 / 237# Don’t hurt yourself. That is contortionist level stretching there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: He is a little less athletic, but a little bigger and stronger than Tonyan. If he can offer anything, great. He is probably pennies compared to Tonyan next season too. I'm optimistic that Tyler Davis can be a functional role-player. Lewis has size/strength and blocking capacity that is unmatched. So I'm not suggesting Davis is going to be the next Lewis. But, someday Lewis is going to decide to retire, and they're probably not going to find "another Lewis", who can match his offensive-lineman profile. But Davis seems built a little stronger for in-line blocking than Tonyan or Deguara. A lot of those little TE completions, I think many of those are "TE-ignored" completions. TE doesn't need to be super athletic or awesome to block a lot, get ignored sometimes, and occasionally catch an open pass. Davis might perhaps have that capacity? So yeah, *IF* Lewis decides to hang it up, and assuming Tonyan is ACL-out and/or contract-out, I could easily see Davis getting a lot of the blocking-TE snaps. It's maybe dumb to put too much weight in the "Rodgers likes him" thing. Rodgers wants to be a leader, so he expresses affirmation for almost everybody. But I think it's also true that Rodgers is pretty compulsive about attention to details. So I something think that for the guys he "likes", it often involves the "details" guys, guys who know what they're doing and try to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Arthur Penske said: Tyler Davis gonna end up being a player? I think 12 really liked him IIRC Tyler Davis = the next Bobby Tonny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 16 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: We're 20th in yards per attempt, 14th in Expected Points Added, 23rd in TDs, and 21st in total yards. the running game is average to poor. the only difference year to year is blocking. The run blocking is poor thus the running game is poor/average. Rodgers is carrying this team and it doesn't really seem sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 by the way, the offense did not go from elite to average. It went from elite to elite. 2nd in offense DVOA, 8th in points/drive but the hyper-low number of turnovers balance that out heavily in our favor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, craig said: I'm optimistic that Tyler Davis can be a functional role-player. Lewis has size/strength and blocking capacity that is unmatched. So I'm not suggesting Davis is going to be the next Lewis. But, someday Lewis is going to decide to retire, and they're probably not going to find "another Lewis", who can match his offensive-lineman profile. But Davis seems built a little stronger for in-line blocking than Tonyan or Deguara. A lot of those little TE completions, I think many of those are "TE-ignored" completions. TE doesn't need to be super athletic or awesome to block a lot, get ignored sometimes, and occasionally catch an open pass. Davis might perhaps have that capacity? So yeah, *IF* Lewis decides to hang it up, and assuming Tonyan is ACL-out and/or contract-out, I could easily see Davis getting a lot of the blocking-TE snaps. It's maybe dumb to put too much weight in the "Rodgers likes him" thing. Rodgers wants to be a leader, so he expresses affirmation for almost everybody. But I think it's also true that Rodgers is pretty compulsive about attention to details. So I something think that for the guys he "likes", it often involves the "details" guys, guys who know what they're doing and try to do it. Lewis is going to play until he's 95. He'll be the first Packer player to wear a throwback uniform having actually already worn it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OneTwoSixFive Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 15 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The play calling is exactly the same as it was last year. The running game not meaning a lot is just not true. Our offense is not elite. It's average. I doubt the first is true - I do agree with the running game meaning a lot. As for the "average" offense: With all players fit, the offensive line could qualify as elite. So could the QB. Adams alone puts the receiver group above average. The two main RBs are above average. The only unit you could conceivably call average is the TE unit (which contains one of my favourite players, in Lewis). Taken as a whole, this is not even close to an average offense. With all the injuries factored in I'd still call the offense as a whole above average, compared to other teams with their injuries factored in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: So that would imply that: Aaron Jones, Joe Mixon, and Ezekiel Elliott are average runners. And that our offensive line is below average at run blocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Because to do otherwise is logically inconsistent. You can't declare Jones an elite and special back for producing elite numbers behind an elite offensive line, and then maintain that he's still an elite back while producing average numbers behind an average offensive line. Define "elite" back. I see Jones do one or two things every week that most RBs in this league can't do. Sometimes that means turning a 1 yard gain into a 6 yard gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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