Pugger Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 14 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Its Lancaster's fault entirely, but Lancaster should never be the guy out there in that spot. Should be someone like Lewis, Garvin, Tipa. Why are defensive linemen out there and not offensive guys who are trained to block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BAM said: Jimmy G took his team on a game winning drive and will be playing this weekend with a real shot at playing in a Super Bowl. Aaron went 3 and out with a chance to win, and will be contemplating if and where he might continue his career this weekend.. Scott Hunter likely would have spotted and completed to Lazard running uncovered over the deep middle on a play that minimally gains 30 yards on 3rd and 11 with a chance to win the game. Aaron instead locks in on Adams and throws an uncatchable prayer into double coverage. He ignored check downs and open receivers on multiple occasions for 3 quarters of this stinging failure loss to an inferior QB and team at home. Give Aaron credit when he deserves it (often) and responsibility when he puts up an inexplicably embarrassing performance like he did last Saturday. This is what is so maddening. Why does he do this?? We've seen this movie before. And if he was ignoring open guys and only concentrating on Adams earlier in the game you gotta think his QB coach pointed it out to him. His tunnel vision is one of his major faults besides his aversion to throwing picks so he hesitates instead of letting it rip, especially in these big games. Edited January 25, 2022 by Pugger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pugger said: Why are defensive linemen out there and not offensive guys who are trained to block? Usually because you can only dress between 7 and 8 offensive linemen and coaches don't want to expose players they don't have the depth to cover if an injury happens Any competent Defensive lineman should be able to preform this pretty basic fundamental task. Lancaster for whatever reason failed at the worst possible moment in a tight playoff game. On that block, I am guessing that SF picked up some kind of hesitancy from Lancaster on film and exploited it. Again if Lancaster simply remembers what every high school player learns early the block doesn't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, BAM said: Usually because you can only dress between 7 and 8 offensive linemen and coaches don't want to expose players they don't have the depth to cover if an injury happens Any competent Defensive lineman should be able to preform this pretty basic fundamental task. Lancaster for whatever reason failed at the worst possible moment in a tight playoff game. On that block, I am guessing that SF picked up some kind of hesitancy from Lancaster on film and exploited it. Again if Lancaster simply remembers what every high school player learns early the block doesn't happen. Perhaps going forward Lancaster should NOT be asked to go out there on FGs or put Lowry on the left instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, Leader said: Ryan Wood - Packers are 7-9 in playoffs since winning Super Bowl XLV. More than half those losses have been at home. Here are the playoff records of all 32 teams. Green indicates team still alive in playoffs 1 New England Patriots 59 37 22 .627 2021 AFC East 2 San Francisco 49ers 55 34 21 .618 2021 NFC West 3 Baltimore Ravens 27 16 11 .593 2020 AFC North 4 Green Bay Packers 61 36 25 .590 2021 NFC North 5 Pittsburgh Steelers 63 36 27 .571 2021 AFC North 6 Las Vegas Raiders 45 25 20 .556 2021 AFC West 7 Denver Broncos 42 23 19 .548 2015 AFC West 8 Dallas Cowboys 64 35 29 .547 2021 NFC East 9 Washington Football Team 43 23 20 .535 2020 NFC East 10 Carolina Panthers 17 9 8 .529 2017 NFC South 11 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 21 11 10 .524 2021 NFC South 12 Jacksonville Jaguars 14 7 7 .500 2017 AFC South 13 Philadelphia Eagles 47 23 24 .489 2021 NFC East 14 New York Giants 49 24 25 .490 2016 NFC East 15 Miami Dolphins 41 20 21 .488 2016 AFC East 16 Seattle Seahawks 35 17 18 .486 2020 NFC West 17 New York Jets 25 12 13 .480 2010 AFC East 18 Indianapolis Colts 48 23 25 .479 2020 AFC South 19 Buffalo Bills 36 17 19 .472 2021 AFC East 20 Los Angeles Rams 51 24 27 .471 2021 NFC West 21 (tie) Chicago Bears 37 17 20 .459 2020 NFC North Kansas City Chiefs 36 17 20 .459 2021 AFC West 23 Tennessee Titans 39 17 23 .425 2021 AFC South 24 New Orleans Saints 23 10 13 .435 2020 NFC South 25 Atlanta Falcons 24 10 14 .417 2017 NFC South 26 (tie) Minnesota Vikings 51 21 30 .412 2019 NFC North Arizona Cardinals 17 7 10 .412 2021 NFC West 28 (tie) Los Angeles Chargers 30 12 18 .400 2018 AFC West Houston Texans 10 4 6 .400 2019 AFC South 30 Cleveland Browns 33 12 21 .364 2020 AFC North 31 Detroit Lions 20 7 13 .350 2016 NFC North 32 Cincinnati Bengals 21 7 14 .333 2021 AFC North Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Pugger said: Perhaps going forward Lancaster should NOT be asked to go out there on FGs or put Lowry on the left instead. I agree, and doubt that Lancaster will ever be trusted with that responsibility again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BAM said: I agree, and doubt that Lancaster will ever be trusted with that responsibility again. How long had he been doing it and to what effect? As has been mentioned already - it clearly looks like he line up wrong - and - I dont think he had a clue the ball had been snapped whereas the SF players blew past him immediately after the snap. Was he consistently bad (?) or was this a one game blunder? I dont know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBobGray Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Pugger said: This is what is so maddening. Why does he do this?? We've seen this movie before. And if he was ignoring open guys and only concentrating on Adams earlier in the game you gotta think his QB coach pointed it out to him. His tunnel vision is one of his major faults besides his aversion to throwing picks so he hesitates instead of letting it rip, especially in these big games. I don't think any of us can truly answer that, but from the outside looking in it looks to me like he's simply trying too hard not to make mistakes. Aaron is a perfectionist, and one of the ways that that manifests is that he falls into traps of always looking to make the perfect play. People read "he ignored the open receiver" and assume it means "he's staring down Adams/Nelson/Cobb/etc" but that's not always the case. Does it happen at times? Sure, but just as often he goes through his reads, he just doesn't throw the ball. You see him double-clutch, or begin a throwing motion that gets suddenly aborted, before he takes off and ends up throwing it away or running it. My personal suspicion is that he fears there's something he missed, that a DB he didn't account for is sitting on that route or that the receiver will run the wrong route, and he hesitates that extra half second and the window is closed. I think in games like this he feels that on every snap, but he has faith that a guy like Adams will find a way to make the play anyway. For everyone else, he can't shake that feeling that targeting them will go wrong, so he keeps the ball in his hands because then the game is still in his hands. Sure he didn't throw it this snap, but live to fight another day right? But the more snaps go by where you don't trust your eyes the less you trust them, and by the time the game gets to its most vital stages you no longer trust them at all. Now you really are staring down the only guy you think can make a play, and you don't/won't/can't even read the defense at this point, you just throw up a prayer because it's literally the only way to get yourself to let go of the ball. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 Bill Huber / SI - Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has dealt with more NFL playoffs heartbreak than most franchises. Since winning the Super Bowl in 2010, he’s lost four NFC Championship Games. Three times, he lost in overtime. Five times, he lost on the final play of the game. Six times, the defense allowed more than 30 points. In 14 seasons as the starter, Rodgers led the team to the postseason 11 times. The exceptions: 2008 (first season as a starter), 2017 (broken collarbone) and 2018 (Mike McCarthy’s final season). Rodgers has fallen short in the playoffs nine times since winning MVP honors in Super Bowl XLV. The latest of those playoff failures came on Saturday night, a 13-10 loss to the San Francisco 49ers in which Rodgers uncharacteristically struggled with accuracy and decision-making and the special teams delivered a 13-point swing in the 49ers’ direction. Ranking Aaron Rodgers’ Playoff Losses No. 10 – 2012: 45-31 at San Francisco 49ers (divisional) No. 9 – 2016: 44-21 at Atlanta Falcons (NFC Championship) No. 8 – 2015: 26-20 (OT) at Arizona Cardinals (divisional) No. 7 – 2019: 37-20 at San Francisco 49ers (NFC Championship) No. 6 – 2009: 51-45 (OT) at Arizona Cardinals (wild card) No. 5 – 2013: 23-20 vs. San Francisco 49ers (wild card) No. 4 – 2011: 37-20 vs. N.Y. Giants (divisional) No. 3 – 2021: 13-10 vs. San Francisco 49ers (divisional) No. 2 – 2020: 31-26 vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC Championship) No. 1 – 2014: 28-22 at Seattle Seahawks in OT (NFC Championship) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Tyler Herrick - More and more I’m getting the sense the packers aren’t stressing about the cap as much we all are. Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap - Of course they aren't, they have full time staff devoted to figuring this out. Unlike the most of the fan base, they didn't wake up on Sunday morning after the loss and check the 2022 numbers for the first time. They know what needs get done, and have many paths to get there. 👍 Edited January 25, 2022 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, MrBobGray said: I don't think any of us can truly answer that, but from the outside looking in it looks to me like he's simply trying too hard not to make mistakes. Aaron is a perfectionist, and one of the ways that that manifests is that he falls into traps of always looking to make the perfect play. People read "he ignored the open receiver" and assume it means "he's staring down Adams/Nelson/Cobb/etc" but that's not always the case. Does it happen at times? Sure, but just as often he goes through his reads, he just doesn't throw the ball. You see him double-clutch, or begin a throwing motion that gets suddenly aborted, before he takes off and ends up throwing it away or running it. My personal suspicion is that he fears there's something he missed, that a DB he didn't account for is sitting on that route or that the receiver will run the wrong route, and he hesitates that extra half second and the window is closed. I think in games like this he feels that on every snap, but he has faith that a guy like Adams will find a way to make the play anyway. For everyone else, he can't shake that feeling that targeting them will go wrong, so he keeps the ball in his hands because then the game is still in his hands. Sure he didn't throw it this snap, but live to fight another day right? But the more snaps go by where you don't trust your eyes the less you trust them, and by the time the game gets to its most vital stages you no longer trust them at all. Now you really are staring down the only guy you think can make a play, and you don't/won't/can't even read the defense at this point, you just throw up a prayer because it's literally the only way to get yourself to let go of the ball. you saying his got the "yipps"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isherwood Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I'll never forget the postgame interview he gave back in... 2017(?) where he said "I was seeing ghosts out there" - whew, that was chilling to hear from a vet as storied and confident as Rodg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 With Rodgers, the problem has always been between his ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor1124 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: This isn't new. The offense sucks when they run out of scripted plays. Give credit to the 49ers, they knew exactly how to give Rodgers the business by teasing him with single coverage on Adams and then rotating into double coverage post snap. Who would you say is most at fault for that? Is it equally the coaching and Rogers or is it more so the play calling and overall scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Victor1124 said: Who would you say is most at fault for that? Is it equally the coaching and Rogers or is it more so the play calling and overall scheme? Most at fault? Probably Rodgers. Were Rodgers 10 years younger and not back to back MVP, I might put it on the coaching a bit more to get his QB to play within the system more, but that aint happening. The play calling wasn't perfect, but again, it's hard sometimes to separate what is a bad concept from a receiver making a poor read. "Are two WRs stacked on top of each other because of an unforeseen alignment that the coaches didn't consider, or are they stacked on top of each other because the #1 thought it was C2 rather than C3 and now they're all standing on each other?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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