Random Packer News & Notes

[ThatJerkDave]

56 minutes ago, St Vince said:

The main issue Andy never mentioned was the huge void left after we lost Collins. He and Burnett was the future at Safety. His departure created a vacuum. We were constantly using draft capital to replace Collins.

Ted dropped the ball. Instead of paying guys like Heyward and keeping good veterans like Woodson, he was always focused on rolling money over to the next season and relying on cheap UDFA to fill the void.

It's absurd to realize 11 years later we still haven't found elite Safety play on the level of Nick Collins. Same thing with Finley at TE.

I kind of give anyone a pass for not finding the next Nick Collins.  He was on track for a HOF career.  I think the only safety in his class, since he was drafted, was Earl Thomas.  

[coachbuns]

22 hours ago, HokieHigh said:

You are exactly right that the doubters already ate crow. 

 

The thing about being productive because you are bigger and faster than the opponent is that you are likely to continue being bigger and faster than the opponent. 

True enough .. hopefully he can stay healthy and not be a guy that has to be bubble wrapped each game.   Fingers crossed there is a coming out for the other young wr's and te's!

[Mr Bad Example]

9 hours ago, St Vince said:

It's absurd to realize 11 years later we still haven't found elite Safety play on the level of Nick Collins.

TBF Collins was on a HoF place. We were blessed having the likes of Butler, Robinson, Sharper, and Collins at S for 20ish yrs. We got used to the norm at S being "career that puts player in the HoF discussion" (obviously Sharper isn't in that discussion, but that's for other reasons)

[Old Guy]

58 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said:

TBF Collins was on a HoF place. We were blessed having the likes of Butler, Robinson, Sharper, and Collins at S for 20ish yrs. We got used to the norm at S being "career that puts player in the HoF discussion" (obviously Sharper isn't in that discussion, but that's for other reasons)

Love Nick Collins but his stats were on par with Robinson and Sharper. Robinson hasn't been inducted yet and Sharper has no chance of getting in. All three were exceptionally good, but HOF, maybe just a shade outside of the criteria. 

 

[Mazrimiv]

The best part of this hindsight game is that had Hyde been retained, he would still be cited as a bad decision by GB in player evaluation, it would just be flipped.  Hyde is a prime example of the square peg/round hole syndrome that seemed to plague the Packers defense for years.  The way Hyde was used in GB set him up for failure, and that wouldn't have changed had he been retained.

Edited May 21 by Mazrimiv

[turf toe]

6 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said:

The best part of this hindsight game is that had Hyde been retained, the same video probably would have cited Hyde as an example of another "mistake" GB made in player evaluation.  Hyde is a prime example of the square peg/round hole syndrome that seemed to plague the Packers defense for years.  The way Hyde was used in GB set him up for failure, and that wouldn't have changed had he been retained.

I don't think it wasn't so much how Hyde was used, it was the players in front of him, HHCH was a 15 slot pick that means he was bound to hold more sway to play then the 5th round Hyde, and he was arguably better then Hyde at safety those first couple seasons, and Hayward was better in coverage, so Hyde became a rotational backup at Nickel

as Herman pointed out, the conversion of Hyde to safety never got a chance to develop since Ted again used a high draft pick on a safety, the last half of Teds tenure of missing on so many defensive players tarnished his legacy imo.

[{Family Ghost}]

The real problem was the list of failures they selected in the draft trying to replace the players they let walk.  Guys like Josh Jones, Haha Clinton Dix, Damarious Randall, Kevin King, Rollins, etc .. all failed higher draft picks.  A few of those guys had their moments, but didn't have the impact you want from a high draft pick. 

[{Family Ghost}]

The Packers added another cap analyst, Joey Laine, from the Saints organization.  This happened a few days back, but I didn't see anything about it until today.  The Saints organization is always seemingly in cap hell, but they always manage to make things work out.  I guess this fella was a big part of that. 

https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/salary-cap-wizard-joey-laine-joins-packers/

[CWood21]

22 hours ago, Norm said:

EDIT: Same thing as Hayward...it's hindsight bull**** like has been stated. At least the Woodson thing I sort of get, I think a lot of people would have been like nah keep that dude a BIT longer.

No kidding.  He got absolutely roasted on national television against Denver (IIRC) by Brandon Marshall.

[Uffdaswede]

2 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said:

The Packers added another cap analyst, Joey Laine, from the Saints organization.  This happened a few days back, but I didn't see anything about it until today.  The Saints organization is always seemingly in cap hell, but they always manage to make things work out.  I guess this fella was a big part of that. 

https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/salary-cap-wizard-joey-laine-joins-packers/

I imagine him being like Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction, walking in and calmly making demands. “I’ll need a legal pad, a red Sharpie, two secretaries who speak Mandarin and can program in Python, blueprints for the Canadian Embassy in New York, and 3 million in Nigerian marketable security notes. Oh, and a case of Diet Dr. Pepper”

[incognito_man]

2 hours ago, Uffdaswede said:

I imagine him being like Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction, walking in and calmly making demands. “I’ll need a legal pad, a red Sharpie, two secretaries who speak Mandarin and can program in Python, blueprints for the Canadian Embassy in New York, and 3 million in Nigerian marketable security notes. Oh, and a case of Diet Dr. Pepper”

Speaking of diet Dr pepper. It's astonishing to me we don't have delicious, good for you soft drinks already. 

I've been freezing fresh pressed veggie juice and adding them in ice cube format to Zevia. It's fantastic and get a 1/2 serving of vegetables in every soda I drink now.

[Uffdaswede]

2 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Speaking of diet Dr pepper. It's astonishing to me we don't have delicious, good for you soft drinks already. 

I've been freezing fresh pressed veggie juice and adding them in ice cube format to Zevia. It's fantastic and get a 1/2 serving of vegetables in every soda I drink now.

Dang. That’s a way funnier demand than Diet Dr. Pepper.

 I can’t remember which band it was, but  a story goes that their performance contracts included a demand for bowls of M&Ms in the dressing rooms with the brown ones removed.

The story goes that many of their contractual technical demands were precise. If the M&Ms were wrong than they got the manager to check the important stuff for accuracy.

Insert Zevia with veggie juice ice cubes instead of M&Ms and it’s pretty much the same story. 

[incognito_man]

5 minutes ago, Uffdaswede said:

Dang. That’s a way funnier demand than Diet Dr. Pepper.

 I can’t remember which band it was, but  a story goes that their performance contracts included a demand for bowls of M&Ms in the dressing rooms with the brown ones removed.

The story goes that many of their contractual technical demands were precise. If the M&Ms were wrong than they got the manager to check the important stuff for accuracy.

Insert Zevia with veggie juice ice cubes instead of M&Ms and it’s pretty much the same story. 

I'm incog Van Halen

[ThatJerkDave]

3 hours ago, Uffdaswede said:

Dang. That’s a way funnier demand than Diet Dr. Pepper.

 I can’t remember which band it was, but  a story goes that their performance contracts included a demand for bowls of M&Ms in the dressing rooms with the brown ones removed.

The story goes that many of their contractual technical demands were precise. If the M&Ms were wrong than they got the manager to check the important stuff for accuracy.

Insert Zevia with veggie juice ice cubes instead of M&Ms and it’s pretty much the same story. 

I am pretty sure that it was David Lee Roth.  But in interviews later, he said it was because he just wanted to see if the venue really cared about the performers.  He didn't care if they did it or not, but when they saw it, they either did it, or contacted the band about it.  Just to know which venues cared and which ones really didn't.

 

 

I also trolled the guys in the dorm as a freshman for like half a year.  I told them that I don't like the red m&ms and would leave them for other people to eat.  Not that I got m&ms very often, but when I did, there would be a little pile or bowl of red ones just left over.  I told everyone that I didn't like strawberry.  They believed that I believed that for months.

Edited May 22 by ThatJerkDave

[ThatJerkDave]

The defensive backfield also was not helped by the injury bug at all.  Whether they needed to eat better, be hydrated, stretch, I don't know.  But Hayward, Hyde, House, and King were almost always fighting some kind of muscle injury.  They were good enough players, but you could also count on them missing games.