Packerraymond Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Just now, Cakeshoppe said: The Bears beg to differ There are positions in sports where analytics can paint a picture that sometimes the eyes don't see. Kicker isn't one of them ha. You are good or you aren't, you can put the ball between the uprights 85+% of the time or you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Like anyone who would take Blair Walsh over Robbie Gould is insane. Stats guys are trying too hard here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: There are positions in sports where analytics can paint a picture that sometimes the eyes don't see. Kicker isn't one of them ha. You are good or you aren't, you can put the ball between the uprights 85+% of the time or you can't. I think that was the point of the graph. He is showing, yet again, that Mason is a career 75% kicker. Not sure all of the colors are needed for that though. Edit: Crosby is a career 80% kicker- the 75% was college. Edited November 1, 2019 by Ragnar Danneskjold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatZepp Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I feel like someone found some numbers that worked with with the point they were trying to make and made a graph of them as to seem more professional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: I think that was the point of the graph. He is showing, yet again, that Mason is a career 75% kicker. Not sure all of the colors are needed for that though. Mason isn't even on the graph. Guess he's the worst kicker in the NFL, along with the guy in Philly who is an 86% career kicker and 83% on 40 yards +. He sucks cause he missed 3 30-39 yarders in 2017. Good company I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheGreatZepp said: I feel like someone found some numbers that worked with with the point they were trying to make and made a graph of them as to seem more professional It is an interesting graph, but the numbers get skewed a bit. In Blair Walsh's first year in the league, he was 10 for 10 from 50 yds plus. His second year he was pretty consistent and was like 2 for 2 form 50 plus. By going 12 for 12 from 50 plus in his first 2 years, it masks the bad years that followed before he got kicked to the curb, no pun intended. Robbie Gould was consistent throughout his career. The chart fails to differentiate those issues, which I believe is Packer Raymond's point. It is an interesting concept, but I am not sure it sheds much light on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakeshoppe Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Mason isn't even on the graph. Guess he's the worst kicker in the NFL, along with the guy in Philly who is an 86% career kicker and 83% on 40 yards +. He sucks cause he missed 3 30-39 yarders in 2017. Good company I guess. My guess is the graph only shows positive FG+, implying that anyone not shown is negative. Again, I think the problem is that it’s not normalized per kick so volume will affect results. I do think that The idea behind it is valuable though. If you’re just going off make %, that’s going to get thrown off if you have a coach who always wants to punt outside of the 33 vs one who’s willing to trot out the kick team to attempt 60-yarders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cakeshoppe said: My guess is the graph only shows positive FG+, implying that anyone not shown is negative. Again, I think the problem is that it’s not normalized per kick so volume will affect results. I do think that The idea behind it is valuable though. If you’re just going off make %, that’s going to get thrown off if you have a coach who always wants to punt outside of the 33 vs one who’s willing to trot out the kick team to attempt 60-yarders. True, but it also gets skewed if the coach is aggressive and has the kicker attempting long kicks in swirling wind, rain, or cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatZepp Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: True, but it also gets skewed if the coach is aggressive and has the kicker attempting long kicks in swirling wind, rain, or cold. Or for example... Lambeau in December as opposed to Miami or a Dome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 It would be interesting to see an analysis of missed kicks affect on game outcome or by game situation. A missed field goal in a double digit win or loss really doesn't mean much. Missed kick in a 1 score game is much more significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 the only "point" of the chart is to show just how good the baltimore kicker is. The context of the chart is simply the kickers in the given time period 2009-2017. 19 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: It would be interesting to see an analysis of missed kicks affect on game outcome or by game situation. A missed field goal in a double digit win or loss really doesn't mean much. Missed kick in a 1 score game is much more significant. sure. but making/missing kicks is a fairly independent event relative to the situation and score. The kicker isn't in control of when he gets a chance. He just gets a chance when the offense presents it. 27 minutes ago, Cakeshoppe said: My guess is the graph only shows positive FG+, implying that anyone not shown is negative. Again, I think the problem is that it’s not normalized per kick so volume will affect results. I do think that The idea behind it is valuable though. If you’re just going off make %, that’s going to get thrown off if you have a coach who always wants to punt outside of the 33 vs one who’s willing to trot out the kick team to attempt 60-yarders. Volume is a factor yes, but it's not a big factor though. Ignoring volume for efficiency in this case is probably the wrong thing to do. Yes Blair Walsh is bad now, but the fact is that he had enough volume and made enough huge kicks, to be one of the top kickers of the decade. That's what's shown on the chart. 35 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Mason isn't even on the graph. Guess he's the worst kicker in the NFL, along with the guy in Philly who is an 86% career kicker and 83% on 40 yards +. He sucks cause he missed 3 30-39 yarders in 2017. Good company I guess. Elliott isn't higher because he wasn't playing for most of this time period. I think he started in 2017? And yes, he does lose points because he's 17/21 on FGs 30-39. There's plenty of others not on the graph too, just not many of Mason's contemporaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, TheGreatZepp said: Or for example... Lambeau in December as opposed to Miami or a Dome accounted for, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 This is less than ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, packfanfb said: This is less than ideal. Can he appeal and push it til next year? Drag this ***** all the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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