ThatJerkDave Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 They were lucky to catch the Chiefs without their QB. They were lucky to win both games against the Lions while never having a lead at any point during the game. I think this is a good team that overachieved rather than a bad team that caught all the breaks. But the Packers were pretty lucky with the injuries. On the list of missed games are EQ, Spriggs, Lane Taylor, Campbell, Greene, Bolton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: But the Packers were pretty lucky with the injuries. On the list of missed games are EQ, Spriggs, Lane Taylor, Campbell, Greene, Bolton. Adams, Savage, Tonyan, etc too. Better than a typical PackIRs season, but still some notable absences on there even if it wasn't for the full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 51 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: Adams, Savage, Tonyan, etc too. Better than a typical PackIRs season, but still some notable absences on there even if it wasn't for the full season. We were probably the healthiest team in the league last year when you cross reference total missed games and who actually was out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: We were probably the healthiest team in the league last year when you cross reference total missed games and who actually was out. Yep offense basically was at 100% aside from a handful of games w/o Adams. Unless you count EQ as some major loss, which nobody really does during their complaints about the WR group talent. Defense was basically 100% except for a couple games w/o Savage. That is phenomenal health by NFL standards. It's not like there are teams that went through the entire season at 100%. That just doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: We were probably the healthiest team in the league last year when you cross reference total missed games and who actually was out. I said it was a healthy year. Just pointing out some of the other injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Leader said: CHTV - What has really gotten under my skin is this notion that the only reason Green Bay had a great season last year is because of a string of pure, lucky breaks..... That the Packers are a mediocre team that only won because everything went their way. The luckiest of these is the perception the Packers stayed incredibly healthy all season long. Did they really? Each year Football Outsiders uses a complex formula to determine a ranking of NFL teams according to how severely they were affected by injuries. They call it AGL, which stands for Adjusted Games Lost. The team least affected is ranked number one, and so on. For 2019, the Packers ranked 14th. Middle of the pack. Lucky? Lucky is relative. Green Bay was lucky with injuries compared to 2018, when they were ranked 22nd. But nearly half of the league was "luckier" than them in 2019. Here's a look at a handful of other "lucky" breaks the Packers received last season: The Packers should have lost at home to Detroit, but they were bailed out by two incorrect hands to the face penalties on the final drive. Green Bay got to play Kansas City when the Chiefs were without Patrick Mahomes. Oakland quarterback Derrick Carr's fumble out of the end zone cost the Raiders the chance to take the lead at halftime and completely changed the game. Green Bay played the Vikings when Dalvin Cook was injured. Green Bay played at Detroit in Week 17 when Matthew Stafford was out. What say you? IMO a 13-3 record is verging on capital-g Great (the 1996-97 Packers were a Great team); GB last year was good, solid team, but not a threat to any truly great teams. And their advanced numbers showed the ball bounced their way. Still, I think people totally underrate the role that luck plays in sports. If GB wasn't a good team, they wouldn't have been able to take advantage of their luck. I expect them to quite possibly be a better team this season, but with only an 11-5 record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Arthur Penske said: Adams, Savage, Tonyan, etc too. Better than a typical PackIRs season, but still some notable absences on there even if it wasn't for the full season. But the only ones that really mattered were Adams, Savage and Bulaga. I like Savage, but the games that he missed were the Lions game and the Raiders game. We didn't really miss him in either contest. Bulaga had a very good replacement. It has been pointed out that the offense was actually better in the games where Adams was out. I believe that we got a full season out of the Tonyan-Sternberger combo. And that is the 3rd TE. Most of our games lost were quite inconsequential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: IMO a 13-3 record is verging on capital-g Great (the 1996-97 Packers were a Great team); GB last year was good, solid team, but not a threat to any truly great teams. And their advanced numbers showed the ball bounced their way. Still, I think people totally underrate the role that luck plays in sports. If GB wasn't a good team, they wouldn't have been able to take advantage of their luck. I expect them to quite possibly be a better team this season, but with only an 11-5 record. Which team was better: 2007 Packers or 2019 Packers? IMO both were "lucky" and were good teams with great records. Edited June 1, 2020 by ThatJerkDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Leader said: CHTV - What has really gotten under my skin is this notion that the only reason Green Bay had a great season last year is because of a string of pure, lucky breaks..... That the Packers are a mediocre team that only won because everything went their way. The luckiest of these is the perception the Packers stayed incredibly healthy all season long. Did they really? Each year Football Outsiders uses a complex formula to determine a ranking of NFL teams according to how severely they were affected by injuries. They call it AGL, which stands for Adjusted Games Lost. The team least affected is ranked number one, and so on. For 2019, the Packers ranked 14th. Middle of the pack. Lucky? Lucky is relative. Green Bay was lucky with injuries compared to 2018, when they were ranked 22nd. But nearly half of the league was "luckier" than them in 2019. Here's a look at a handful of other "lucky" breaks the Packers received last season: The Packers should have lost at home to Detroit, but they were bailed out by two incorrect hands to the face penalties on the final drive. Green Bay got to play Kansas City when the Chiefs were without Patrick Mahomes. Oakland quarterback Derrick Carr's fumble out of the end zone cost the Raiders the chance to take the lead at halftime and completely changed the game. Green Bay played the Vikings when Dalvin Cook was injured. Green Bay played at Detroit in Week 17 when Matthew Stafford was out. What say you? I think FO’s number is deceptive in this case. The largest contributor to games-lost in 2019 for GB would be Lane Taylor, and weighting him as a starter would paint him as some huge loss to the team. In reality, Jenkins performed as-good or better than Taylor, so the practical effect of losing Taylor was nonexistent, but AGL has no way of accounting for that. It’s not every year that you’re lucky enough that your major injury falls on one of the few positions that had a high-qualify backup. On a side note, PFR has a very useful page that gives a clear summary how each Packer was classified on the injury report throughout the whole season. FO’s AGL metric is derived off those reports. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2019_injuries.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodie89 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 4 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: Which team was better: 2007 Packers or 2019 Packers? IMO both were "lucky" and were good teams with great records. My vote is 2007 Packers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Packerraymond Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: @Packerraymond, when is TAPT opening back up for people like me who never break the rules? I have a joke to tell. Now it's never opening again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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