Leader Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: Ha, I would actually say the exact same thing about Ted and his son, Gute, but in a different way. Want to stay relevant, get 10 wins every year, but never really have the best team in the conference or make those 1 or 2 extra moves necessary to get to the SB?...they are your guys. Packers have become experts at circling the wagon...highlighted by 4 NFCCG losses since 2007. I dont consider constantly winning your division and constantly getting into the playoffs and losing (some heartbreaker) NFCCGs as fire able offenses. I dont follow Schneider all that closely but thru reading have picked up on some questionable draft selections and/or trades - but which NFL team isnt dotted with similar "Could have/should have drafted this guy instead of that" player? Few I'd say. The Ws are the barometer. If you're winning....you must be doing something right.....and I dont see winning as a fire able offense. The goal is to address those things that are keeping you from getting over the hump. Edited November 28, 2020 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemike778 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 hours ago, packfanfb said: Ha, I would actually say the exact same thing about Ted and his son, Gute, but in a different way. Want to stay relevant, get 10 wins every year, but never really have the best team in the conference or make those 1 or 2 extra moves necessary to get to the SB?...they are your guys. Packers have become experts at circling the wagon...highlighted by 4 NFCCG losses since 2007. Packers generally spend their money. So if you are going to make those extra 1 or 2 moves then you are going to be in trouble a few years down the line. If we had made those one or two moves then we might not have a competitive team now. Is that what you want ? There's no right answer to the 'is all-in' the way to go. If after 10 seasons and you have no ring then you can maybe wish you had gone all-in. But if you go all-in and Rodgers goes down week 1 then your going to feel pretty sick. Teams generally aren't one or two moves away from the super bowl. Most of the time, to make a significant difference to your chances then you have to spend a lot of money. Ultimately we were one game away from the super bowl. A game when pretty much everyone had a bad day. If everyone had a good day then maybe we get there. You've said it yourself - 4 NFCCG losses. That says the strategy has worked - we just fluffed it on the big day. One or two extra moves probably doesn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Leader said: Seattle 2015 - 10-6 Wild Card 2016 - 10-5+1 Division winner/Playoffs 2017 - 9-7 2018 - 10-6 Wild Card 2019 - 11-5 Wild Card I went back fives years. At what point would you have fired Schneider and why? One of the last 2 years and for the same reason why TT should have been relieved of his duties.... 9-7/10-6 with a high end qb is a fail. The 2013-2018 drafts they have had were pretty sub par Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Ross Uglem - Maybe if the Packers had taken a receiver in round one they'd have scored 75 points against two top-4 defenses in back-to-back weeks instead of 72. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Zach Kruse - Packers QB Aaron Rodgers has a 152.8 passer rating when targeting Robert Tonyan this season. 37/41 for 458 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs. 90.2 catch percentage. 11.2 yards per target. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Matt Schneidman - If they don't re-sign Linsley, I think they'd keep Jenkins at left guard, slide Patrick to center and put Runyan at right guard with Turner at right tackle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The Tonyan situation is so weird to me. What about this guy makes him successful? He just doesn't scream athletic or fast or anything to me so I'm having a hard time squaring that with his "semi-breakout" this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Kepler said: The Tonyan situation is so weird to me. What about this guy makes him successful? He just doesn't scream athletic or fast or anything to me so I'm having a hard time squaring that with his "semi-breakout" this year. He ran a 4.58 40 coming out of college. Now, he was a 220 lb WR at that point. And the Packers list him at 237, and I would guess that is a little light as well. But he moves pretty well for a TE. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kepler said: The Tonyan situation is so weird to me. What about this guy makes him successful? He just doesn't scream athletic or fast or anything to me so I'm having a hard time squaring that with his "semi-breakout" this year. He's athletic and fast. He's probably put on 10lbs since getting here but he ran a 4.58 40 and had 35" and 125" jumps at 236 pounds at his pro day. We've also been much better with our play action and been more vertically oriented this year. That helps a guy like Tonyan who can do some damage if you get two safeties splitting deep and an inside Linebacker biting on play action. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Kepler said: The Tonyan situation is so weird to me. What about this guy makes him successful? He just doesn't scream athletic or fast or anything to me so I'm having a hard time squaring that with his "semi-breakout" this year. Aikman said it the other week. Scheme. Add to that Tonyan's athletic ability and you have a solid player. He's tall, has strength, has some speed, and he's been around for a few years. MLF's scheme (bootlegs, play action) is putting him in a great position and he's catching the ball. Looks like a solid player out there, and he's kind of an all around tight end because he is a decent blocker. I've always been rooting for him. And as good as he is now, I think Jace is even quicker and faster on the field. Jace may never been the blocking that Tonyan is, but I think he is going to be an even better receiving threat in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I know we just put up 41 on the Bears (34 by the offense), but if Stills goes unclaimed, I'm still bringing him in for a visit. Come playoff time, the writing is on the wall that the Packers are going to need to score high 30s (at least) in order to win against the competition we'll be facing. Adding another deep threat to go with MVS wouldn't hurt. *Also sign Tavon Austin to the PS like yesterday. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) Speaking of Tonyan... in regards to recent and even historical, his season right now has to rate pretty high as far as TEs for GB goes right? Yardage and TDs etc. Like I know he is closing in on Bubba in TDs. Edited November 30, 2020 by Green19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 He’s playing great and was really surging last year before injury and with Graham eating up snaps. He might be pricing himself out of our market soon. What do you think it will take to re-sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Green19 said: Speaking of Tonyan... in regards to recent and even historical, his season right now has to rate pretty high as far as TEs for GB goes right? Yardage and TDs etc. Like I know he is closing in on Bubba in TDs. best i could find: **Note that Tonyan's stats are extrapolated to a full 16 games*** He's currently at 37/458/7 https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/by-the-numbers/2020/11/27/21721789/robert-tonyan-is-playing-like-the-best-tight-end-in-the-nfc-this-season Player Year Y/Tgt G GS Tgt Rec Yds 626 TD Y/G Ctch%â–¼ Robert Tonyan 2020 10.57 16 8 59 51 625 12.22 10 39.1 86.50% Jermichael Finley 2009 9.39 13 10 72 55 676 12.29 5 52 76.40% Donald Lee 2007 9.13 15 12 63 48 575 11.98 6 38.3 76.20% Mark Chmura 1995 9.05 16 15 75 54 679 12.57 7 42.4 72.00% Jermichael Finley 2011 8.34 16 13 92 55 767 13.95 8 47.9 59.80% Jackie Harris 1993 8.27 12 12 73 42 604 14.38 4 50.3 57.50% Keith Jackson 1996 8.02 16 5 63 40 505 12.63 10 31.6 63.50% Jermichael Finley 2012 7.67 16 14 87 61 667 10.93 2 41.7 70.10% Mark Chmura 1998 7.49 15 14 74 47 554 11.79 4 36.9 63.50% Jimmy Graham 2019 7.45 16 10 60 38 447 11.76 3 27.9 63.30% Mark Chmura 1997 7.45 15 14 56 38 417 10.97 6 27.8 67.90% Jared Cook 2016 7.39 10 5 51 30 377 12.57 1 37.7 58.80% Jackie Harris 1992 7.26 16 11 82 55 595 10.82 2 37.2 67.10% Bubba Franks 2004 7.22 16 14 50 34 361 10.62 7 22.6 68.00% Jimmy Graham 2018 7.15 16 12 89 55 636 11.56 2 39.8 61.80% Ed West 1994 6.98 14 12 54 31 377 12.16 2 26.9 57.40% Bubba Franks 2000 6.6 16 13 55 34 363 10.68 1 22.7 61.80% Bubba Franks 2001 6.57 16 14 49 36 322 8.94 9 20.1 73.50% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) The fact that Tom Crabtree’s 8 rec 3TD ‘12 season is not listed makes this chart invalid. Edited November 30, 2020 by Refugee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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