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37 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

Billy Price isn't making it out of the 1st round. And if he does it's too high for us when Tretter looked like he was on roller skates all season.

It's unlikely we'd find a rookie Center to come in and start, not struggle and perform better than JC. Centers can always be found in the UFA process.

What does Drew Brees think about his 2 RBs? We need a decisive force/positional advantage somewhere on the field preferably around our QB. It wasn't likely to possible to create that at the WR position in the first 2 rounds, but those 2 RBs allowed me to do so. Also, tried to do so with TE picks later.

Barkley and Penny would be an unstoppable tandem of force worthy of two 1st round picks in my mind frankly  It's a winning dynamic that has also allowed Carson Wentz to ascend last year (2 TEs; 2 RBs combo).

As reliable safety blankets around the QB, paired with a good OL..our offense would be cookin.

 

FIFY

 

Look at the FA centers. Tell me there's one that can start. Price is an immediate starter.

 

Barkley and Duke Johnson is more than adequate. 

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Free Agency: 

Prince Amukamara - 4 year 45 mil - Quietly having a solid career after his slow start coming out of Nebraska. One of the few highlights of the Giants season.

Sam Bradford - 2 year 20 mil - Still thinks he's a starter in the league. Let's give him a shot while winking at Darnold to be the FQB of our dreams.

Terrelle Pryor - 4 year 22 mil - Wants to come back and we need WR. Welcome back Terrelle. 

Lamarcus Joyner - 5 year 65 mil - Gregg gets on the phone with him and convinces him they can be friends. Plus the money talks. Rams will have to let him or Trumaine Johnson go. Let's get one of them. PFF had him as a top 5 S in the league in 2017.

 

1. Sam Darnold QB USC - Rosen is the most NFL ready QB but I hate his attitude and comments about choosing where he wants to go. I am all for letting Darnold sit a year behind a solid vet. 

1. Saquon Barkley RB Penn St.  - Better than Fournette who went this early last year. My favorite college player. 

1. Billy Price C Ohio St. - Will probably have to trade up to get him so I've deleted the extra 4th and 6th round picks. He's the top C by a mile, there are very few in the draft with starting potential and FA is bare bones

2. Simmie Cobbs Jr. WR Indiana - Guy will be a starter in the NFL. His tape against Ohio St. will push him this high. Great at competing for the ball with a big body and sure hands. 

2. Maurice Hurst DT Michigan - People are sleeping on Hurst because he only weighs about 280 lbs. He is a force against both the run and pass. His first step is devastating. Will force Brantley and Coley off the roster. 

3.  Desmond Harrison OT West Georgia - Harrison was kicked out of Texas after a failed drug test. He has solid feet and athletic ability for 6'7 310. Could be groomed for either tackle position depending on how the front office views Coleman.

4. Kevin Tolliver CB LSU - Has had some issues with scheme at LSU and also some disciplinary issues. He was up and down this year but has potential to be a starter on the outside at corner. 

5. Braxton Berrios WR Miami - Will be a great slot receiver very soon. Very smart, quick, shifty and will find the soft spot in the zone every play. 

5. Marcus Allen S Penn St. - Will develop into a solid SS

7. Jack Cichy LB Wisconsin - Late round flier on a guy that tore his ACL. He's a more athletic Schobert when he's healthy. Tackling machine that will be a ST demon immediately which is sadly something we desperately need. 

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10 hours ago, Mind Character said:

FA Signings:

Top Target: 1A. Ezekiel Ansah DE Detroit - 4yrs/60Mil/20GTD

1B. Rashaan Melvin CB Colts- 4 yrs/45Mil/12GTD

2. Kyle Fuller CB Bears- 4 yrs/42Mil/12GTD

3. AJ Mccaron QB Bengals- 3 yrs/ 45 Mil/ 18 GTD

4. Terrelle Pryor WR Washington- 4 yrs/ 25Mil/ 8GTD

5. Jordan Matthews WR Buffalo- 4 yrs/ 25Mil/ 8 GTD - Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman can't be relied upon due to addiction and injury issues respectively. Therefore, we need to sign multiple, reliable pass catchers that can provide starter impact (Both Matthews and Richardson provide that). Pryor can reclaim his impact that he provided on the Browns and be a WR2.

6. Paul Richardson WR Seattle- 4 yrs/ 25Mil/ 8 GTD

7. LT veteran not yet cast off another time. This player is a fall back if Joe Thomas needs more rehab time or has any setbacks.

8. Ricardo Allen FS Falcons (RFA)- 2 yrs/ 10Mil/ 4 GTD

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Draft

**** Philosophy: Create as many positional units that can be a decisive force on the field.

1(1) Sam Darnold QB USC

1(4) Saquon Barkley RB PSU

2. Carlton Davis CB Auburn: Best CB in the draft. Plays with length and poise. Mirror technique is effortless. Great competitor. Good ball skills. Needs to work on eye discipline. Already has CB1 press man ability. Day 1 starter impact.

2. Rashaad Penny RB SDSU: 1, 2 punch provides impact that will exceed Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram. Not as talented, but a better runner w/ better vision than Saquon. In reality, is the best RB in the draft. Tremendous  patience and explosion once identifying the hole. Tough runner after contact. 1 of my favorite players in the draft. Would create positional force and decisive advantage on offense.

2,  Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma: Seth Devalve is a nonfactor, has no acceleration/burst, and marginal hands, not a explosive or precise route runner. Randall Telfer is JAG. We need playmakers and should draft as if David Njoku is the only player in the TE room. Andrews has great hands and is a really good blocking TE. Great Ball skills and natural instinct and ability to get open. Can be on the field at the same time with Njoku.

3. Armani Watts FS TAMU: Ultra Competitor, fast mental trigger w/ ability to diagnose and range in the post or in the box. Forceful hitter. Question marks is he has the hip flexibility to play FS, or if he'd be better served as a SS. Injury issues and long speed concerns will drop him in the draft.

4. Jamal Peters CB Miss St. // Duke Dawson CB Florida // Nick Nelson CB Wisconsin //  Kevin Tolliver CB LSU

Jamal Peters has 1st round ability. Prototypical long armed quick/smooth transitioning press man cover. Competes and is a sound tackler. Could end up going much higher. Duke Dawson is smaller, but has CB1 upside with the calm demeanor, competitive fire, and ball skills to make an early impact. Nick Nelson is solid, great tackler, long speed concerns, versatile w/ the ability to make an impact as a nickel CB. Kevin Tolliver is a big, physical CB with long speed concerns but has the hips and movement skills to continually disrupt and run routes for the WRs due to instincts.

4. Adam Breneman TE: UMASS: Supreme ball skills, average blocker, Travis Kelce w/ even better high point pass catching ability. Future pro bowler. 

5. Marcus Allen SS PSU // Jordan Whitehead FS Pittsburgh

Marcus Allen has improved in 1 year more than i have ever seen from a prospect. He is a nasty, ultra competitive safety, who is a ball of energy on the field. Has serious speed and play acceleration concerns. If not, would be a 1st round pick. Has no real takeaways and lacks advanced ball skills. More SS than FS. Jordan Whitehead is the most gifted safety position athlete in the draft. Off field concerns will drop him down the board. Has RB movement skills, lacks eye discipline and knowledge of the game. When he's on he looks like a future all pro FS w/ Earl Thomas similarities. Inconsistent and gets caught in bad positions in tackling angles and in the pass game due to poor/underdeveloped recognition and diagnosis skills. Too talented to not make an impact and has KR and PR impact ability.

5. Trayvon Henderson FS/SS Hawaii: Pro bowl FS upside. Speed, power, ball skills, great tackler and the supreme ability to range in the post and be a force in run support. Will be a scout favorite and will likely go much higher. Right now is an unknown. One of my top 10 favorite players in the draft.

6. Darren Carrington WR Utah: Has WR2 with WR1 impact ability. Special ball skills and explosive route runner. Inconsistent. Off the field issues will drop him way down the boards.

7. Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson:  Should and likely will go higher.Self made, walk on player. Great hands, great route running, quick releases and strong YAC ability.

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The 53 (56 before final cut)

The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (27)

Quarterbacks (3): AJ Mccaron // Deshone Kizer // Sam Darnold;

Running Backs (4): Saquon Barkley // Duke Johnson // Rashaad Penny // Matthew Dayes;

Fullback (1): Danny Vitale;

Wide Receivers (6): Josh Gordon // Terrelle Pryor // Corey Coleman // Jordan Matthews // Paul Richardson // Darren Carrington // Practice Squad: Hunter Renfrow

Tight Ends (3): David Njoku // Mark Andrews // Adam Breneman

Offensive Linemen (10): Joe Thomas // Joel Bitonio // JC Tretter // Kevin Zeitler // Shon Coleman // Rod Johnson // Marcus Martin // Spencer Drango // Austin Reiter //  Zach Banner // Veteran LT to be Named

Defense (25)

Defensive linemen (8): Myles Garrett // Danny Shelton // Larry Ogunjobi // Ezekiel Ansah // Emmanuel Ogbah // Caleb Brantley // Trevon Coley // Carl Nassib

Linebackers (5): Jamie Collins Sr. // Christian Kirksey // Joe Schobert // James Burgess // Jeremy Cash

Corner Backs (6): Rashaan Melvin // Kyle Fuller // Carlton Davis //Jason McCourty // Jamar Peters // Briean Boddy-Balhoun

Free Safeties (3): Ricardo Allen // Armani Watts // Trayvon Henderson // Practice Squad: Kai Nacua

Strong Safeties (3): Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred // Marcus Allen

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez;  Punter (1):Britton Colquitt; Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett

The nerve on this guy

Calling Seth 'safety valve' Devalve an non factor and disrespecting Hollywood Higgins. 

Also not sure if that many FAs will sign with us, especially the top end CBs in FA

And abandoning Kai again. @NudeTayne show Mind the light

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5 hours ago, MWil23 said:

...who has major fumbling issues

...who isn't a natural pass catcher that has major dropsies and catches with his body instead of his hands

...who disappears for quarters on end 

...who doesn't run anything close to an NFL route tree

He may be a nice surprise, but with all of those legitimate questions, I'm not taking him in the 2nd round. That's WAY too high.

Chris Henry
Devin Thomas
Jerome Simpson
Taylor Mays
Ras-I Dowling
Ryan Williams
Stephen Hill

 

Just a few guys who had major flaws in College that went in the 2nd round because teams fall in love with shear abilities all the time.

I wouldn't draft Parris Campbell there myself either. I am a Michael Gallup fan myself. I am just saying don't be surprised when he does go in the 2nd round.

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51 minutes ago, TheeRealDeal said:

Chris Henry
Devin Thomas
Jerome Simpson
Taylor Mays
Ras-I Dowling
Ryan Williams
Stephen Hill

 

Just a few guys who had major flaws in College that went in the 2nd round because teams fall in love with shear abilities all the time.

I wouldn't draft Parris Campbell there myself either. I am a Michael Gallup fan myself. I am just saying don't be surprised when he does go in the 2nd round.

And I never said he wouldn’t go there. I said there’s absolutely NO WAY I would take him there.

Thanks for proving my point.

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1 minute ago, MWil23 said:

And I never said he wouldn’t go there. I said there’s absolutely NO WAY I would take him there.

Thanks for proving my point.

1. Then we agree on that one. I wouldn't take him in 2nd round especially for a team like Browns. If it were say Atlanta with a proven QB and a true #1 already on the team then I would definitely consider the gamble.

2. I purposely picked bust so that I didn't have to listen to some weak counter argument that so and so was a really good football player, but there are plenty of 1st and 2nd round picks that made an impact in the NFL that were picked extremely high in the draft based soley on freakish traits and abilities with no much production in College.

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13 hours ago, Mind Character said:

FA Signings:

Top Target: 1A. Ezekiel Ansah DE Detroit - 4yrs/60Mil/20GTD

1B. Rashaan Melvin CB Colts- 4 yrs/45Mil/12GTD

2. Kyle Fuller CB Bears- 4 yrs/42Mil/12GTD

3. AJ Mccaron QB Bengals- 3 yrs/ 45 Mil/ 18 GTD

4. Terrelle Pryor WR Washington- 4 yrs/ 25Mil/ 8GTD

5. Jordan Matthews WR Buffalo- 4 yrs/ 25Mil/ 8 GTD - Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman can't be relied upon due to addiction and injury issues respectively. Therefore, we need to sign multiple, reliable pass catchers that can provide starter impact (Both Matthews and Richardson provide that). Pryor can reclaim his impact that he provided on the Browns and be a WR2.

6. Paul Richardson WR Seattle- 4 yrs/ 25Mil/ 8 GTD

7. LT veteran not yet cast off another time. This player is a fall back if Joe Thomas needs more rehab time or has any setbacks.

8. Ricardo Allen FS Falcons (RFA)- 2 yrs/ 10Mil/ 4 GTD

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Draft

**** Philosophy: Create as many positional units that can be a decisive force on the field.

1(1) Sam Darnold QB USC

1(4) Saquon Barkley RB PSU

2. Carlton Davis CB Auburn: Best CB in the draft. Plays with length and poise. Mirror technique is effortless. Great competitor. Good ball skills. Needs to work on eye discipline. Already has CB1 press man ability. Day 1 starter impact.

2. Rashaad Penny RB SDSU: 1, 2 punch provides impact that will exceed Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram. Not as talented, but a better runner w/ better vision than Saquon. In reality, is the best RB in the draft. Tremendous  patience and explosion once identifying the hole. Tough runner after contact. 1 of my favorite players in the draft. Would create positional force and decisive advantage on offense.

2,  Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma: Seth Devalve is a nonfactor, has no acceleration/burst, and marginal hands, not a explosive or precise route runner. Randall Telfer is JAG. We need playmakers and should draft as if David Njoku is the only player in the TE room. Andrews has great hands and is a really good blocking TE. Great Ball skills and natural instinct and ability to get open. Can be on the field at the same time with Njoku.

3. Armani Watts FS TAMU: Ultra Competitor, fast mental trigger w/ ability to diagnose and range in the post or in the box. Forceful hitter. Question marks is he has the hip flexibility to play FS, or if he'd be better served as a SS. Injury issues and long speed concerns will drop him in the draft.

4. Jamal Peters CB Miss St. // Duke Dawson CB Florida // Nick Nelson CB Wisconsin //  Kevin Tolliver CB LSU

Jamal Peters has 1st round ability. Prototypical long armed quick/smooth transitioning press man cover. Competes and is a sound tackler. Could end up going much higher. Duke Dawson is smaller, but has CB1 upside with the calm demeanor, competitive fire, and ball skills to make an early impact. Nick Nelson is solid, great tackler, long speed concerns, versatile w/ the ability to make an impact as a nickel CB. Kevin Tolliver is a big, physical CB with long speed concerns but has the hips and movement skills to continually disrupt and run routes for the WRs due to instincts.

4. Adam Breneman TE: UMASS: Supreme ball skills, average blocker, Travis Kelce w/ even better high point pass catching ability. Future pro bowler. 

5. Marcus Allen SS PSU // Jordan Whitehead FS Pittsburgh

Marcus Allen has improved in 1 year more than i have ever seen from a prospect. He is a nasty, ultra competitive safety, who is a ball of energy on the field. Has serious speed and play acceleration concerns. If not, would be a 1st round pick. Has no real takeaways and lacks advanced ball skills. More SS than FS. Jordan Whitehead is the most gifted safety position athlete in the draft. Off field concerns will drop him down the board. Has RB movement skills, lacks eye discipline and knowledge of the game. When he's on he looks like a future all pro FS w/ Earl Thomas similarities. Inconsistent and gets caught in bad positions in tackling angles and in the pass game due to poor/underdeveloped recognition and diagnosis skills. Too talented to not make an impact and has KR and PR impact ability.

5. Trayvon Henderson FS/SS Hawaii: Pro bowl FS upside. Speed, power, ball skills, great tackler and the supreme ability to range in the post and be a force in run support. Will be a scout favorite and will likely go much higher. Right now is an unknown. One of my top 10 favorite players in the draft.

6. Darren Carrington WR Utah: Has WR2 with WR1 impact ability. Special ball skills and explosive route runner. Inconsistent. Off the field issues will drop him way down the boards.

7. Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson:  Should and likely will go higher.Self made, walk on player. Great hands, great route running, quick releases and strong YAC ability.

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The 53 (56 before final cut)

The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (27)

Quarterbacks (3): AJ Mccaron // Deshone Kizer // Sam Darnold;

Running Backs (4): Saquon Barkley // Duke Johnson // Rashaad Penny // Matthew Dayes;

Fullback (1): Danny Vitale;

Wide Receivers (6): Josh Gordon // Terrelle Pryor // Corey Coleman // Jordan Matthews // Paul Richardson // Darren Carrington // Practice Squad: Hunter Renfrow

Tight Ends (3): David Njoku // Mark Andrews // Adam Breneman

Offensive Linemen (10): Joe Thomas // Joel Bitonio // JC Tretter // Kevin Zeitler // Shon Coleman // Rod Johnson // Marcus Martin // Spencer Drango // Austin Reiter //  Zach Banner // Veteran LT to be Named

Defense (25)

Defensive linemen (8): Myles Garrett // Danny Shelton // Larry Ogunjobi // Ezekiel Ansah // Emmanuel Ogbah // Caleb Brantley // Trevon Coley // Carl Nassib

Linebackers (5): Jamie Collins Sr. // Christian Kirksey // Joe Schobert // James Burgess // Jeremy Cash

Corner Backs (6): Rashaan Melvin // Kyle Fuller // Carlton Davis //Jason McCourty // Jamar Peters // Briean Boddy-Balhoun

Free Safeties (3): Ricardo Allen // Armani Watts // Trayvon Henderson // Practice Squad: Kai Nacua

Strong Safeties (3): Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred // Marcus Allen

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez;  Punter (1):Britton Colquitt; Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett

That was my realistic draft.

This is my dream/fantasy draft: I've watched enough of the prospects to know that I'll always want Darnold at 1, I'd desperately want to see what a tandem attack of Rashaad Penny and Saquon Barkley (w/Duke Johnson supplementing) could look like, that we have to draft Carlton Davis, and that Pairing Davis with Denzel Ward is a must somehow.

Dream/Fantasy Draft

**** Philosophy: Create as many positional units that can be a decisive force on the field.

1(1) Sam Darnold QB USC

1(4) Saquon Barkley RB PSU

2 -1. **Trade into the Bottom of the 1st** Calvin Ridley WR Alabama:  Effortless speed and quickness. Production, size concerns, and the major run on QBs could drop him toward the bottom of the 1st round despite possessing top-15 talent a la David Njoku. Great route runner. Has some concentration issues and durability concerns. Also needs to high point the ball more often and work on refining his technique to beat press man coverage.

2. Carlton Davis CB Auburn: Best CB in the draft. Plays with length and poise. Mirror technique is effortless. Great competitor. Good ball skills. Needs to work on eye discipline. Already has CB1 press man ability. Day 1 starter impact. Lack of ball production will likely push him down the board and could see him go at the top of round 2.

2. Denzel Ward CB Ohio State: Calm and smooth feet. Doesn't panic. Plays the WR hands w/ advanced technique. Often has bad eye discipline that gets him in trouble. Durability, size concerns, and a crazy run on QBs along with his bouts of serious inconsistent play could easily drop him to the top of the 2nd round. His frame is razor thin. Vernon Hargreaves although short was a thick athlete; however, Denzel's small stature and premium film especially when he plays the nickel and takes away slot WRs will have some scouting rooms debate if he has the physicality, functional strength, and eye discipline to match up with the top dominant WR1s in the league..

3. Rashaad Penny RB SDSU: 1, 2 punch provides impact that will exceed Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram. Not as talented, but a better runner w/ better vision than Saquon. In reality, is the best RB in the draft. Tremendous  patience and explosion once identifying the hole. Tough runner after contact. 1 of my favorite players in the draft. Would create positional force and decisive advantage on offense.

4. Jamal Peters CB Miss St. // Duke Dawson CB Florida // Nick Nelson CB Wisconsin //  Kevin Tolliver CB LSU

Jamal Peters has 1st round ability. Prototypical long armed quick/smooth transitioning press man cover. Competes and is a sound tackler. Could end up going much higher. Duke Dawson is smaller, but has CB1 upside with the calm demeanor, competitive fire, and ball skills to make an early impact. Nick Nelson is solid, great tackler, long speed concerns, versatile w/ the ability to make an impact as a nickel CB. Kevin Tolliver is a big, physical CB with long speed concerns but has the hips and movement skills to continually disrupt and run routes for the WRs due to instincts.

4. Adam Breneman TE: UMASS: Supreme ball skills, average blocker, Travis Kelce w/ even better high point pass catching ability. Future pro bowler. 

5. Trayvon Henderson FS/SS Hawaii: Pro bowl FS upside. Speed, power, ball skills, great tackler and the supreme ability to range in the post and be a force in run support. Will be a scout favorite and will likely go much higher. Right now is an unknown. One of my top 10 favorite players in the draft.

5. Jordan Whitehead FS Pittsburgh: Jordan Whitehead is the most gifted athlete at the Safety position in the draft. Off field concerns will drop him down the board. Has RB movement skills, lacks eye discipline and knowledge of the game. When he's on he looks like a future all pro FS w/ Earl Thomas similarities. Inconsistent and gets caught in bad positions in tackling angles and in the pass game due to poor/underdeveloped recognition and diagnosis skills. Too talented to not make an impact and has KR and PR impact ability.

6-5. **Trade Back into 5th round*** Marcus Allen SS PSU : Marcus Allen has improved in 1 year more than i have ever seen from a prospect. He is a nasty, ultra competitive safety, who is a ball of energy on the field. Has serious speed and play acceleration concerns. If not, would be a 1st rnd pick. Has no real takeaways and lacks advanced ball skills. More SS than FS.

7. Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson:  Should and likely will go higher.Self made, walk on player. Great hands, great route running, quick releases and strong YAC ability.

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