SirA1 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hockey5djh said: Dumb question.....don't the things we just voted on go into affect next season, not this season? Its a 2019 3 up so it is for next season. Im choosing to pay a guy 8500 more this year because it will save me about that in the long run. Edited August 8, 2018 by SirA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 22 hours ago, WFLukic said: Lew Jazz 3up no.1 Travis Frederick Current = 7100/3 Irl Avg = 9400/per (6 yrs) 0.75*9400 = 7050 New Offer = 7100g https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/travis-frederick-12311/ I'm not sure why you're doing this now but approve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 9:20 PM, SirA1 said: Singapore Sentinels 2019 3 Up #1 Edge Danielle Hunter Current BDL deal = $686/1 NFL Contract = $72,000/5 years + $1,907/1 year (2018) = $73,907/6 years = $12,318/year New BDL Contract Offer = 6 Years $54,434 ($9,239/yr) 75% Annual Salary https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ Approved: Bcb, MD4L, JLash Abstained: Ragnarok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 6 hours ago, SirA1 said: Approved: Bcb, MD4L, JLash Abstained: Ragnarok I am saying no because I think we should wait a calendar year for changes to go into effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Extremely tempted to withdraw my approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLadd Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Sydney sub 500 cuts. WR Chris Moore FB Andy Janovich OC Max Tuerk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 6:15 PM, WFLukic said: Lew Jazz 3up no.1 Travis Frederick Current = 7100/3 Irl Avg = 9400/per (6 yrs) 0.75*9400 = 7050 New Offer = 7100g https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/travis-frederick-12311/ After digging into all that old BDL Owners meeting stuff I actually found a vote on a rule to limit 3 Ups to 1 year or less but it got voted down. So while foolish, it technically isn't illegal to 3 Up a player with more than 1 year. Lukic also wisely followed the rule that a new contract can't pay the player less per year that he's already making in the BDL by matching his current salary. By those reasons I approve the Frederick deal. Approved: Bcb, SirA1 One more approval needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, SirA1 said: After digging into all that old BDL Owners meeting stuff I actually found a vote on a rule to limit 3 Ups to 1 year or less but it got voted down. So while foolish, it technically isn't illegal to 3 Up a player with more than 1 year. Lukic also wisely followed the rule that a new contract can't pay the player less per year that he's already making in the BDL by matching his current salary. By those reasons I approve the Frederick deal. Approved: Bcb, SirA1 One more approval needed. Why would a player in Frederick’s position accept a 3 year extension at the same price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, MD4L said: Why would a player in Frederick’s position accept a 3 year extension at the same price? Has nothing to do with reality. He could wait 3 years and still pay him the same amount per year. Actually less if he waited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, SirA1 said: After digging into all that old BDL Owners meeting stuff I actually found a vote on a rule to limit 3 Ups to 1 year or less but it got voted down. So while foolish, it technically isn't illegal to 3 Up a player with more than 1 year. Lukic also wisely followed the rule that a new contract can't pay the player less per year that he's already making in the BDL by matching his current salary. Just a personal thought, I feel like this happens way too often. "Rule X is in question" "Its listed in the rules as Y" "But this is how we've previously done it" "Ruling is made on rule X based on previous discussions not listed in the current rules document" The Frederick deal is not legal according to what's in the rules document right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: Just a personal thought, I feel like this happens way too often. "Rule X is in question" "Its listed in the rules as Y" "But this is how we've previously done it" "Ruling is made on rule X based on previous discussions not listed in the current rules document" The Frederick deal is not legal according to what's in the rules document right now. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFLukic Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 The only contentious issue is whether we're going to wait to apply the 75% this year or next. Everything else is within the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 2:34 PM, SirA1 said: How so? Quote 3 Up (All year round) : Each year, an owner has the chance to resign 3 players at a discount rate. If the player is an upcoming free agent that is not coming out of his BDL rookie deal, he can be signed at 75% of the value of his remaining IRL contract If a player is under BDL rookie contract but has just signed a new contract IRL, he can be signed at 75% of the value the IRL contract When 3 Upping a player who was RFA eligible but not tendered, the 3 Up offer may not include the value of the a RFA tender. A player who is 3 upped for a single year by a team, upon signing a new contract in the NFL their BDL 3 up contract can be updated for the change in contract. If a player is a free agent coming out of his BDL rookie contract and has signed a new deal IRL before the year of the 3up, then the owner has to pay 75% of the total IRL contract but end the contract the same year in BDL than IRL. For instance, player X has a BDL rookie contract from 2014 to 2019 at $2000 per year and signed a new deal IRL in 2018 at $10M per year for 6 years. You can either 3up him in 2018 at $7,500 per year for 6 years or in 2019 at $9,000 per year for 5 years. For players under the NFL Franchise Tag they can be 3 Upped for 100% the value of the Franchise tag. If the are signed to a long term deal during the same season their BDL Contract will revert to 75% of the IRL value of they new contract. This is done to prevent any issues with going over the BDL Salary cap. Players who are submitted to the contract committee as 3 Ups are not included in the free agent pool. However, if the contract committee and the team have not agreed on a 3 Up contract by the start of Shark Tank, then that player will be considered eligible for bidding in the Shark Tank. Travis Frederick - Not an upcoming FA - Not under his BDL rookie contract - Not RFA eligible - Didn't just sign a new NFL contract - Not under his BDL rookie contract - Not under the NFL franchise tag Explain to me how he's eligible to be 3upped again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 Upcoming Free Agent is not a defined term. Technically all players are always upcoming FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFLukic Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Exactly. The only time you aren't an upcoming FA is when you are an: 1. Upcoming RFA or 2. FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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