dcfields Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Scenario: The Ravens select 16th overall in the 2018 draft. If Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold or Josh Allen we’re still on the board when the Ravens select, would you want them to select one of them? I’m using these 3 QBs as an example. At one point or another, they have all been considered high 1st round picks (along with Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph, Baker Mayfield...). The Ravens are tied to Joe Flacco (pretty much) through 2019. Flacco has been inconsistent over the years. So the question is: If the Ravens have the opportunity to select a franchise QB in the 1st round of this year’s draft, would you want them to? Please answer and elaborate. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 We're stuck with Flacco until 2019, that 1st round QB would rot on the bench for 2 seasons since it would be a waste of money to not start joe and a waste of the rookie's contract to not start him. I'd rather we try and fix the o-line and maybe draft Leonard Fournette type RB in round 1 than draft a QB that will just rot away on the bench. If it's 2018 and Joe Struggles again (assuming the ravens actually fix the offense somehow) I'd be open to drafting a QB in round 1 in 2018 but as of now it'd be a wasted pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Josh Allen's arm belongs in Baltimore, who but us should groom the heir to Flacco's hand cannon, it's just not the right time though. I think the FO would be more likely to draft Lamar Jackson if he fell, to use him as a WR until Flacco's replacement is needed. Weird idea but it would creatively let us stash 3 QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlin calling Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 before drafting a rookie QB you may want to build an offense core that would enable the rookie to develop into anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If all three of those quarterbacks are still on the board, we’d be a fool to not trade the pick for a bank load. Some team would likely give up an early 2nd round pick, a 2019 1st round pick, and perhaps a 2017 3rd round selection to move up... and I’d easily take that to the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 But to elaborate on the actual Flacco conversation. He’s led us to winning a super bowl and has proven he can get the job done in January. There is only ever going to be about 5 elite players at any given time at a position. Bad franchises are usually bad because as opposed to leveraging the strengths of their players, they constantly seek to replace solid players that can excel in their role vs just looking for the best players. Neither of those quarterbacks have shown that they’d upgrade Flacco. All of them have inconsistencies within their game that could keep them from being a slam dunk #1 overall selection. Now if Tennessee Peyton Manning were in this hypothetical or even Andrew Luck... consensus 1sr round options, I’d see what I could get for Joe Flacco and select the rookie. But not many draft prospects are elite enough for me to want to supplant a solid veteran quarterback that has proven to have a clutch skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, OleXmad said: We're stuck with Flacco until 2019, that 1st round QB would rot on the bench for 2 seasons since it would be a waste of money to not start joe and a waste of the rookie's contract to not start him. 1 season. Its the 2019 off-season that we can cut him (with a significant amount of dead money but still ~$10m in cap space freed up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 It would depend on the QB if it were up to me (I haven't seen much of most of the QBs, but I know I would not want anything to do with Darnold or Jackson), but I think the team would trade the pick away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, drd23 said: 1 season. Its the 2019 off-season that we can cut him (with a significant amount of dead money but still ~$10m in cap space freed up) Whoops, still I'd rather give flacco 2 more seasons so they can actually try and build an offense around him before we chuck him out the window over a rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian Raven Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Two months ago I'd have said we should take the QB. Hell, two months ago I'd have said we should target a QB. But that was before it became clear that Flacco's struggles were a combination of lingering issues from his knee injury, the limitations of his back injury, the brand new, untested O-line and terrible receivers. Given the way the offense came together as Flacco looked more like his old self, I think we can rely on him for a while yet. But we need to get him at least one WR or TE who can be utterly reliable. That should be what we look for in the draft. There will be more QBs next year, or the year after, to look at as possible heirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalcone Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 11 hours ago, DreamKid said: Josh Allen's arm belongs in Baltimore, who but us should groom the heir to Flacco's hand cannon, it's just not the right time though. I think the FO would be more likely to draft Lamar Jackson if he fell, to use him as a WR until Flacco's replacement is needed. Weird idea but it would creatively let us stash 3 QBs. Allen is Kyle Boller 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If it's Rosen or Darnold - yes we absolutely should take that prospect. If it's anyone else, hard pass. Allen is garbage and LaMar Jackson isn't a scheme fit with us and it would be a wasted year for him to sit behind Flacco only to have to learn (hopefully ) a new offense the next year, since he's not a pocket passer. If multiple are available, as someone else said, we should absolutely trade out of that spot and let someone else jump on those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Even if I wanted to move on from Flacco I wouldn’t want any of those QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfields Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 I think this year’s draft will be similar to last year’s in regards to teams trading up to get their QB of the future. I don’t think the Ravens will be one of those teams. I think we’d be fortunate if a QB prospect were there at #16 and the Ravens could benefit from trading out to acquire the draft picks. What really made me think about taking a QB is the fact that so many have come into the league since the Ravens won the Super Bowl and have outplayed Flacco. Derek Carr , Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson... none of which were a 1st round pick. All are more efficient. Right now, Flacco is playing in an offense that gives him 2 reads. Half a field. And quite often, he forces the ball into coverage. He played much better in the 2nd half of the season. But how many times did he look for a 2nd or 3rd option? Flacco’s limited. And frankly, it won’t take much to develop someone better. Someone that can read a defense. Someone that can make adjustments at the line. Someone that can make plays and everyone around him better. Who’s to say that in 2 years, a kid the Ravens take in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round won’t flat out outplay Flacco? The numbers don’t lie. Flacco is a bottom 10 starter in the NFL. If there’s a franchise QB at #16, I say trade the pick. But if there’s someone there in day 2 or 3 that you think could develop into an ABOVE AVERAGE QB, I say take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Speaking of QB's falling to Baltimore, there's people out there who feel Luke Falk might be a mid-late round pickup for us: Have any of you guys evaluated Falk as a QB? I have my own opinions living in the PNW and watching every WSU game, and how WSU's offense translates to the NFL game, but I'm wondering if anyone else has done some scouting on Falk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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