DaBoys Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Free was no loss outside leadership. La'el was better this year than Free was last year. Free was gawd awful in the playoff loss to GB making rookie mistakes and penalties. He was so bad he retired. We didn't regress because of Free. I can't believe people who get paid for their opinions think that, and I've read that lazy conclusion everywhere. The Adrian Clayborn game wasn't on Collins that was Green. Golden wasn't whipping Collins in Arizona, he was beating Tyron. If I am remembering correctly Kalil Mack was way more effective rushing Tyron than Collins. I get Tyron was banged up but Free would have been laughable on the other side and Collins was not. Leary hurt, yes. But we didn't have the money. We had\have to pay Romo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 And since option 2 and 3 are basically the same in this poll, the keep Dez camp wins. Which means if we were in charge we would give Dez another year. Which is the smart thing to do. Go you guys. Give your brain a kiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiller Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I voted keep but but aware he has limited time left. And Boy do people still undervalue what Free did for this team. He wasn’t a all pro but he was a solid starter something we don’t have now behind Smith who is very fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 hours ago, quiller said: I voted keep but but aware he has limited time left. And Boy do people still undervalue what Free did for this team. He wasn’t a all pro but he was a solid starter something we don’t have now behind Smith who is very fragile Free wasn't behind Smith though. And most teams don't have solid starters behind their starters. Free lined up at RT, which is where Collins played. Collins did better at RT than Free did. If so facto we didn't miss Free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtnldave Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 13 hours ago, DaBoys said: Free was no loss outside leadership. La'el was better this year than Free was last year. Free was gawd awful in the playoff loss to GB making rookie mistakes and penalties. He was so bad he retired. We didn't regress because of Free. I can't believe people who get paid for their opinions think that, and I've read that lazy conclusion everywhere. The Adrian Clayborn game wasn't on Collins that was Green. Golden wasn't whipping Collins in Arizona, he was beating Tyron. If I am remembering correctly Kalil Mack was way more effective rushing Tyron than Collins. I get Tyron was banged up but Free would have been laughable on the other side and Collins was not. Leary hurt, yes. But we didn't have the money. We had\have to pay Romo. So then, to understand this fully, we overpay players to the point where we cannot afford to sign or keep quality role players ie: Romo/Leary. You say Free was garbage? Ok. The Adrian Clayborn game wasn't on Green, it was on the coaches. After blindside sack number two, they should have given him some help. In a nutshell, what I am seeing is this: Our front office makes really poor decisions with contracts and signing FAs. All three we signed this year weren't even on the team by season's end. Our coaching staff cannot formulate game plans to best utilize Our talent. Our coaching staff cannot make adjustments in game time to better protect our players or counter the opponents adjustments. Many of our draft picks seem to play out their contracts here, then go elswhere and succeed. So in short, regardless of our talent, that stil managed 9 wins this season, if things don't change at the top, we are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super4 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 7 hours ago, DaBoys said: Free wasn't behind Smith though. And most teams don't have solid starters behind their starters. Free lined up at RT, which is where Collins played. Collins did better at RT than Free did. If so facto we didn't miss Free. This is accurate. Leadership and experience was all we lost at RT individually, and maybe cohesiveness on line line as a whole, but Collins played leaps and bounds better than free and every metric is there is support that. Nobody played particularly well outside Martin last year either, not than Fredrick or Tyron were bad by any means, but up to their normal standard they weren't great. Cohesiveness and health need to improve dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyfanin2890 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Let him walk and the sign Josh Gordon. Very iffy on Gordon but with Lawrence a free agent the money has to come from somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 SJ comments on Dez..... Stephen Jones greased skids for Dez Bryant salary reduction or release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, WizardHawk said: SJ comments on Dez..... Stephen Jones greased skids for Dez Bryant salary reduction or release Definitely some posturing there. They need to make something work. To be fair, regarding Dak and Dezs' chemistry, what WR has Dak shown real chemistry with? None? It's not just Dez. What is a better WR for Dak? Another RB? How can you not like a WR that doesn't need to be open? I get he had some drops, but I doubt that's a future chronic problem for him. If we cut Dez to save $8M and use most of it to sign a less talented WR that we only perceive to be more "Dak friendly," then we're taking an incredible risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, DaBoys said: Definitely some posturing there. They need to make something work. To be fair, regarding Dak and Dezs' chemistry, what WR has Dak shown real chemistry with? None? It's not just Dez. What is a better WR for Dak? Another RB? How can you not like a WR that doesn't need to be open? I get he had some drops, but I doubt that's a future chronic problem for him. If we cut Dez to save $8M and use most of it to sign a less talented WR that we only perceive to be more "Dak friendly," then we're taking an incredible risk. Right. And, you draft one high in hopes of replacing him, you've just signed yourself up for a two year project at the minimum. I think before the smoke clears, Dez has himself an extension and Dallas gets some cap relief there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetFancyMoses Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 10:19 PM, cowboyfanin2890 said: Let him walk and the sign Josh Gordon. Very iffy on Gordon but with Lawrence a free agent the money has to come from somewhere. Gordon will likely be tagged with either ERFA or RFA for 2018 by the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboyfanin2890 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Point being we can get someone else to off set the production(or lack there of) and keep what little D we got intact. Keep Lawrence and maybe we can draft a cover safety/corner, if Lawrence walks its right back to the DE and pass rusher pool which we do not have a good track record with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingmonkey30 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 16 hours ago, WizardHawk said: Right. And, you draft one high in hopes of replacing him, you've just signed yourself up for a two year project at the minimum. I think before the smoke clears, Dez has himself an extension and Dallas gets some cap relief there. This makes the most sense. Dez wants to be a Cowboy for life - give him some security in exchange for cap relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
textaz03 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2018/01/23/former-pro-bowl-wr-greg-jennings-four-words-advice-dez-bryant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 9:55 PM, DaBoys said: Definitely some posturing there. They need to make something work. To be fair, regarding Dak and Dezs' chemistry, what WR has Dak shown real chemistry with? None? It's not just Dez. What is a better WR for Dak? Another RB? How can you not like a WR that doesn't need to be open? I get he had some drops, but I doubt that's a future chronic problem for him. If we cut Dez to save $8M and use most of it to sign a less talented WR that we only perceive to be more "Dak friendly," then we're taking an incredible risk. We have needed an influx of speed at the WR position for awhile now. It's a tough decision, but they have to be totally in on Dak and give him a young, explosive WR to grow with. Teams load up the box against Zeke because they doubt our WR's can get open. His attitude is definitely not helping the team. I would ask Dez to take a pay cut and if he refuses I would cut him. There are receivers we can possibly sign to a one year prove it deal that might just click with Dak (while we have our highly drafted WR waiting in the wings) and we can prevent the distractions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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