Packerraymond Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, squire12 said: https://www.ryansleeper.com/50-years-of-afc-vs-nfc-matchups/ For the early part of NE time with Brady at the QB, the AFC was by far the dominate conference. It has shifted some in the last few years to the NFC, but this narrative that NE benefits from having a really easy division/conference in the Brady error is just sour grapes. They just played the Texans/Titans the last two years in the freaking divisional round. Two teams who would struggle to crack the top 10 of the NFC. Whereas the #1 NFC team has had to face the Packers (lost) and the NFC runner up last year in ATL. I don't care what the records show, cause you're lumping in the middling bottom half's of each conference which more often than not will muddle the records as a whole together. Outside of Peyton Manning, the AFC and Tom Brady has never had a truly elite QB to go up against. Nor has any team in the AFC figured out how to assemble an elite team based on a rookie QB contract like Sea, SF, CAR, DAL and even the 2010 Packers benefitted from. Ever since Peyton Manning and Ray Lewis/Ed Reed have retired, Tom Brady can yawn his way through the AFC playoffs. Guy should've easily lost the last 4 SBs vs NFC teams too, but for some reason the football gods feel he should have an endless supply of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Guy should've easily lost the last 4 SBs vs NFC teams too, but for some reason the football gods feel he should have an endless supply of luck. 2 But they didn't lose... that is the entire point. Attributing the success of NE to luck is a comically weak argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Nor has any team in the AFC figured out how to assemble an elite team based on a rookie QB contract like Sea, SF, CAR, DAL and even the 2010 Packers benefitted from Do you even realize that these "elite" NFC teams you just listed that are holding GB back have a grand total of 1 SB win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: They just played the Texans/Titans the last two years in the freaking divisional round. Two teams who would struggle to crack the top 10 of the NFC. Whereas the #1 NFC team has had to face the Packers (lost) and the NFC runner up last year in ATL. I don't care what the records show, cause you're lumping in the middling bottom half's of each conference which more often than not will muddle the records as a whole together. Outside of Peyton Manning, the AFC and Tom Brady has never had a truly elite QB to go up against. Nor has any team in the AFC figured out how to assemble an elite team based on a rookie QB contract like Sea, SF, CAR, DAL and even the 2010 Packers benefitted from. Ever since Peyton Manning and Ray Lewis/Ed Reed have retired, Tom Brady can yawn his way through the AFC playoffs. Guy should've easily lost the last 4 SBs vs NFC teams too, but for some reason the football gods feel he should have an endless supply of luck. That is the benefit of attaining the #1 seed and a home playoff game, you get to play the weakest team remaining of the playoff teams in that conference. Some were stating that the division/conference has been so weak that NE has an easier time, I collected the records and it does not look that much different than what GB has had. Yes there are ebbs and flows to which division/conference is stronger, but over a long enough span of time, that levels out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: But they didn't lose... that is the entire point. Attributing the success of NE to luck is a comically weak argument. Winning those two SBs and not factoring in luck is a comically weak argument to me. You have two teams that if they just ran the ball win the game, no question. Same as the Sea game for us, the ball needs to bounce your way every single time during the comeback stretch for you complete that comeback. If the ball bounces off of Bosticks head and into Jordy's hands, are we talking about a Seahawks SB? If Marshawn gets that 1 yard carry do the Pats win? Same after the Julio catch last year. No, the script flips in all those cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: Do you even realize that these "elite" NFC teams you just listed that are holding GB back have a grand total of 1 SB win? What does that have to do with anything? It's the constant beating up on each other the NFC does. There's actual competition. Tom and the Pats played like total crap last year in the Divisional game vs Houston. If they were playing Dallas or Seattle or GB instead, would they have won that game? The way the NFC playoffs have been the last 5 years you have to play your best damn football every week or you're out. The AFC has been a vacation until the AFCCG for the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: I don't care what the records show, cause you're lumping in the middling bottom half's of each conference which more often than not will muddle the records as a whole together. Outside of Peyton Manning, the AFC and Tom Brady has never had a truly elite QB to go up against. Nor has any team in the AFC figured out how to assemble an elite team based on a rookie QB contract like Sea, SF, CAR, DAL and even the 2010 Packers benefitted from. Ever since Peyton Manning and Ray Lewis/Ed Reed have retired, Tom Brady can yawn his way through the AFC playoffs. Guy should've easily lost the last 4 SBs vs NFC teams too, but for some reason the football gods feel he should have an endless supply of luck. Saying Brady only had to go up against Peyton Manning is to, at best, downplay the fact that Manning was amongst the best QBs ever for about a decade. And while it may be true that Roethlisberger is not "truly elite," that non-elite QB has been to 3 SBs (and won 2). As for SF, Carolina and Dallas being "elite teams," they have not won a single SB and Dallas has not even been to a NFC Championship this century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Saying Brady only had to go up against Peyton Manning is to, at best, downplay the fact that Manning was amongst the best QBs ever for about a decade. And while it may be true that Roethlisberger is not "truly elite," that non-elite QB has been to 3 SBs (and won 2). As for SF, Carolina and Dallas being "elite teams," they have not won a single SB and Dallas has not even been to a NFC Championship this century. Since when do you have to win a SB to be an elite team? The 2011 Packers would beat up on the 2010 Packers if they played each other, but who is the SB Champ? Last year's Cowboys were an elite team, same with last year's Falcons, 2015 Carolina, the Niners under Harbough etc. If you're among the best 5 teams in the NFL that year, you have an elite team. My point still remains, the Pats over the last half decade have had one tough playoff game every year, and that's usually the AFCCG. Meanwhile every week the NFC pits two teams against each other that have a chance to go to the SB. This season was again no exception, in the AFC, you have 2 teams in NE/PITT that have a chance. Outside shot for Jax if Bortles can hide how bad he is for 4 quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 34 minutes ago, squire12 said: I don't care what the records show, cause you're lumping in the middling bottom half's of each conference which more often than not will muddle the records as a whole together. So....I took out the bottom 16 teams for DVOA rankings for each year Here are the totals, I copied it all so you can look for yourself. On the whole over the 2001-2017, the rankings for DVOA by conference come out really even. For just 2008 to 2017, it shifts some to the NFC. sum of rank 1141 1171 2008 to 2017 645 715 avg rank of teams 8.15 8.871212121 8.486842105 8.511904762 teams in top 16 140 132 76 84 AFC NFC TEAM TOTAL DVOA LAST YEAR NON-ADJ TOT VOA W-L OFFENSE DVOA OFF. RANK DEFENSE DVOA DEF. RANK S.T. DVOA S.T. RANK AFC NFC 2017 1 1 NO 30.70% 21 26.50% 11-5 21.60% 2 -7.90% 8 1.20% 15 2 2 LARM 27.70% 30 25.70% 11-5 11.10% 6 -9.70% 6 6.80% 2 3 3 PIT 27.10% 4 29.10% 13-3 17.60% 3 -6.40% 9 3.10% 9 4 4 MIN 25.10% 20 24.00% 13-3 12.00% 5 -13.90% 2 -0.90% 18 5 5 PHI 23.50% 5 24.90% 13-3 10.00% 8 -12.60% 5 0.90% 16 6 6 NE 22.60% 1 24.80% 13-3 27.30% 1 10.90% 31 6.30% 3 7 7 BAL 18.50% 12 24.90% 9-7 -4.50% 21 -13.80% 3 9.20% 1 8 8 JAC 13.10% 26 20.60% 10-6 -0.20% 16 -16.10% 1 -2.80% 24 9 9 CAR 13.00% 24 11.70% 11-5 -0.50% 17 -8.80% 7 4.70% 6 10 10 KC 10.50% 6 13.20% 10-6 15.70% 4 10.60% 30 5.30% 4 11 11 LACH 7.90% 19 16.70% 9-7 10.70% 7 -4.70% 12 -7.50% 31 12 12 DET 5.60% 27 5.30% 9-7 4.50% 12 4.00% 19 5.10% 5 13 13 DAL 5.40% 2 4.90% 9-7 6.70% 10 5.90% 25 4.60% 7 14 14 SEA 3.20% 11 5.00% 9-7 1.30% 14 -3.80% 13 -2.00% 20 15 15 ATL 1.50% 3 1.80% 10-6 8.20% 9 5.60% 22 -1.20% 19 16 16 WAS -0.50% 9 -7.10% 7-9 -3.00% 20 -4.90% 11 -2.40% 22 2016 1 1 NE 24.90% 6 30.40% 14-2 20.80% 2 -1.80% 16 2.30% 8 2 2 DAL 20.30% 27 19.20% 13-3 19.90% 3 1.10% 18 1.60% 9 3 3 ATL 19.80% 26 20.50% 11-5 24.60% 1 7.30% 26 2.50% 7 4 4 PIT 17.10% 7 18.50% 11-5 12.50% 7 -4.70% 11 -0.10% 16 5 5 PHI 14.40% 22 11.10% 7-9 -5.50% 20 -12.40% 4 7.50% 2 6 6 KC 13.50% 5 12.70% 12-4 2.90% 13 -2.80% 14 7.80% 1 7 7 GB 12.30% 10 10.80% 10-6 16.60% 4 2.50% 20 -1.90% 21 8 8 NYG 9.60% 20 5.40% 11-5 -6.00% 22 -14.50% 2 1.20% 11 9 9 WAS 9.50% 15 6.00% 8-7-2001 15.80% 5 6.80% 25 0.40% 13 10 10 OAK 8.20% 14 6.70% 12-4 12.20% 8 4.30% 22 0.30% 14 11 11 SEA 8.00% 1 10.80% 10-5-2001 -2.60% 16 -10.60% 5 -0.10% 15 12 12 BAL 7.40% 17 5.80% 8-8 -7.50% 24 -9.90% 6 4.90% 4 13 13 CIN 4.00% 2 2.90% 6-9-2001 7.50% 11 0.80% 17 -2.70% 28 14 14 DEN 3.70% 8 4.80% 9-7 -12.30% 28 -18.30% 1 -2.30% 24 15 15 TEN 3.50% 31 9.30% 9-7 10.80% 9 6.40% 24 -1.00% 19 16 16 ARI 1.30% 3 4.70% 7-8-2001 -6.00% 21 -13.60% 3 -6.30% 30 2015 1 1 SEA 38.10% 1 31.40% 10-6 18.70% 1 -15.20% 4 4.20% 3 2 2 CIN 27.90% 12 24.20% 12-4 18.60% 2 -7.10% 10 2.20% 8 3 3 ARI 27.40% 22 27.70% 13-3 15.70% 4 -15.60% 3 -4.00% 29 4 4 CAR 26.00% 24 31.20% 15-1 10.10% 8 -18.40% 2 -2.40% 23 5 5 KC 25.20% 10 24.30% 11-5 11.70% 6 -11.60% 6 2.00% 9 6 6 NE 22.60% 4 24.50% 12-4 15.40% 5 -3.30% 12 3.90% 5 7 7 PIT 21.30% 8 19.50% 10-6 17.30% 3 -3.80% 11 0.10% 18 8 8 DEN 17.70% 2 17.70% 12-4 -8.70% 25 -25.80% 1 0.70% 14 9 9 NYJ 12.40% 27 20.30% 10-6 1.60% 14 -13.80% 5 -2.90% 25 10 10 GB 9.90% 3 5.70% 10-6 2.20% 11 -7.30% 9 0.40% 17 11 11 MIN 5.70% 25 5.90% 11-5 0.00% 16 -1.80% 14 3.90% 4 12 12 BUF 2.70% 9 5.90% 8-8 9.80% 9 8.60% 24 1.50% 12 13 13 DET 1.20% 14 -4.60% 7-9 1.80% 13 1.60% 16 1.00% 13 14 14 OAK 0.10% 29 0.60% 7-9 -1.30% 18 -1.50% 15 -0.10% 19 15 15 WAS -0.30% 28 3.50% 9-7 1.90% 12 5.40% 21 3.20% 6 16 16 STL -2.20% 18 -7.90% 7-9 -15.00% 29 -10.50% 7 2.40% 7 2014 1 1 SEA 31.90% 1 27.30% 12-4 16.80% 5 -16.80% 1 -1.70% 19 2 2 DEN 29.50% 2 29.40% 12-4 20.00% 3 -13.20% 4 -3.70% 27 3 3 GB 23.30% 20 23.00% 12-4 24.70% 1 -1.00% 16 -2.30% 22 4 4 NE 22.10% 5 20.10% 12-4 13.50% 6 -3.00% 12 5.70% 5 5 5 BAL 21.90% 23 25.70% 10-6 9.40% 9 -4.60% 8 8.00% 2 6 6 DAL 13.70% 17 16.30% 12-4 16.80% 4 4.00% 22 0.90% 13 7 7 PHI 12.80% 8 10.30% 10-6 1.10% 13 -3.30% 10 8.30% 1 8 8 PIT 12.10% 15 13.30% 11-5 22.50% 2 11.30% 30 0.90% 12 9 9 BUF 10.50% 18 10.00% 9-7 -11.20% 26 -15.50% 2 6.20% 4 10 10 KC 10.40% 6 9.40% 9-7 5.00% 12 1.30% 19 6.70% 3 11 11 SF 6.60% 7 1.20% 8-8 -0.40% 16 -10.10% 5 -3.00% 24 12 12 CIN 5.00% 9 3.90% 10-5-2001 -1.40% 18 -2.30% 14 4.20% 6 13 13 IND 4.50% 13 7.00% 11-5 -1.10% 17 -2.30% 13 3.30% 8 14 14 DET 4.40% 16 9.10% 11-5 -3.80% 19 -13.90% 3 -5.70% 31 15 15 MIA 3.50% 22 6.80% 8-8 10.10% 8 0.50% 17 -6.10% 32 16 16 SD -0.60% 12 -0.30% 9-7 7.00% 11 4.90% 25 -2.70% 23 2013 1 1 SEA 40.00% 1 40.30% 13-3 9.40% 7 -25.90% 1 4.70% 5 2 2 DEN 32.70% 2 40.90% 13-3 33.50% 1 -0.20% 15 -1.00% 21 3 3 CAR 24.60% 13 21.80% 12-4 7.90% 10 -15.70% 3 1.00% 13 4 4 NO 19.30% 19 16.00% 11-5 16.00% 5 -5.80% 10 -2.50% 24 5 5 NE 18.90% 3 17.90% 12-4 16.40% 4 4.20% 20 6.70% 2 6 6 KC 17.50% 32 21.00% 11-5 3.00% 15 -6.70% 9 7.80% 1 7 7 SF 17.40% 4 12.90% 12-4 9.10% 8 -4.60% 13 3.70% 7 8 8 PHI 15.20% 28 16.30% 10-6 22.90% 3 4.90% 23 -2.80% 25 9 9 CIN 14.20% 12 20.80% 11-5 0.40% 17 -12.60% 5 1.20% 12 10 10 ARI 10.00% 26 4.40% 10-6 -2.40% 20 -16.40% 2 -4.10% 27 11 11 CHI 6.60% 6 5.70% 8-8 13.30% 6 8.70% 25 2.00% 11 12 12 SD 6.40% 22 5.90% 9-7 23.10% 2 17.50% 32 0.80% 15 13 13 IND 3.20% 25 7.70% 11-5 4.30% 13 0.90% 16 -0.10% 18 14 14 STL 2.40% 15 -1.20% 7-9 -9.50% 22 -5.70% 11 6.30% 4 15 15 PIT 0.90% 18 4.40% 8-8 4.40% 12 4.00% 19 0.50% 16 16 16 DET -1.50% 16 2.40% 7-9 -1.90% 19 -0.80% 14 -0.40% 20 2012 1 1 SEA 38.70% 19 30.60% 11-5 18.50% 4 -14.50% 2 5.70% 3 2 2 DEN 36.50% 24 38.70% 13-3 22.10% 2 -13.80% 5 0.60% 13 3 3 NE 34.90% 3 37.60% 12-4 30.80% 1 1.40% 15 5.50% 4 4 4 SF 29.50% 6 24.00% 11-4-2001 16.50% 5 -14.40% 3 -1.50% 20 5 5 GB 26.30% 1 18.80% 11-5 19.50% 3 -7.00% 8 -0.20% 18 6 6 CHI 20.50% 15 18.20% 10-6 -10.90% 26 -26.70% 1 4.70% 6 7 7 NYG 13.40% 12 12.30% 9-7 12.80% 7 1.50% 16 2.00% 10 8 8 BAL 9.80% 7 11.60% 10-6 3.00% 13 2.20% 19 9.00% 1 9 9 WAS 9.30% 21 13.40% 10-6 15.30% 6 1.70% 17 -4.30% 28 10 10 ATL 9.10% 8 14.70% 13-3 6.10% 12 -2.90% 12 0.10% 16 11 11 HOU 6.70% 5 14.70% 12-4 0.10% 16 -14.20% 4 -7.70% 32 12 12 CIN 6.10% 17 12.10% 10-6 -1.80% 17 -3.80% 10 4.10% 7 13 13 CAR 5.50% 20 5.00% 7-9 7.20% 10 -3.10% 11 -4.80% 29 14 14 MIN 2.00% 29 -0.30% 10-6 0.30% 15 3.10% 21 4.70% 5 15 15 STL 1.50% 32 -6.30% 7-8-2001 -4.20% 21 -9.10% 7 -3.40% 26 16 16 DET 0.10% 11 -5.70% 4-12 12.30% 8 7.10% 24 -5.10% 30 2011 1 1 GB 27.00% 4 27.40% 15-1 33.80% 1 8.60% 25 1.80% 8 2 2 NO 23.80% 10 25.50% 13-3 33.00% 2 10.20% 28 1.00% 12 3 3 NE 22.80% 1 24.30% 13-3 31.90% 3 13.20% 30 4.10% 5 4 4 PIT 22.60% 2 22.90% 12-4 11.40% 6 -9.40% 7 1.70% 9 5 5 HOU 18.60% 13 24.80% 10-6 8.40% 9 -9.50% 6 0.70% 13 6 6 SF 18.60% 24 22.10% 13-3 -3.90% 18 -14.60% 3 7.80% 2 7 7 BAL 14.50% 5 13.90% 12-4 2.90% 13 -17.10% 1 -5.60% 30 8 8 ATL 13.90% 7 12.80% 10-6 6.10% 11 -9.10% 8 -1.30% 22 9 9 PHI 13.50% 3 13.40% 8-8 9.80% 8 -3.70% 11 0.00% 17 10 10 NYJ 13.50% 6 11.80% 8-8 -8.30% 21 -16.10% 2 5.60% 4 11 11 DET 10.10% 18 12.90% 10-6 7.10% 10 -8.10% 9 -5.10% 29 12 12 NYG 8.50% 9 4.10% 9-7 10.50% 7 2.40% 19 0.30% 15 13 13 TEN 6.60% 11 10.90% 9-7 0.60% 15 0.30% 15 6.30% 3 14 14 DAL 3.50% 23 5.70% 8-8 5.90% 12 0.40% 16 -2.10% 25 15 15 CHI 1.30% 14 1.40% 8-8 -21.40% 30 -14.20% 4 8.50% 1 16 16 SD 0.70% 8 4.70% 8-8 13.00% 5 10.80% 29 -1.60% 23 2010 1 1 NE 44.60% 4 40.00% 14-2 42.20% 1 2.30% 21 4.70% 8 2 2 PIT 35.40% 10 32.20% 12-4 14.30% 5 -20.70% 1 0.40% 16 3 3 PHI 23.20% 3 24.30% 10-6 17.30% 3 -3.60% 11 2.30% 12 4 4 GB 23.00% 2 22.50% 10-6 11.50% 7 -13.90% 2 -2.40% 26 5 5 BAL 21.70% 1 14.90% 12-4 5.40% 12 -10.30% 6 6.00% 4 6 6 NYJ 18.70% 9 18.90% 11-5 2.10% 16 -10.90% 5 5.80% 5 7 7 ATL 16.30% 18 18.40% 13-3 8.00% 9 -2.10% 14 6.30% 3 8 8 SD 15.40% 11 21.10% 9-7 15.50% 4 -10.00% 7 -10.20% 32 9 9 NYG 13.00% 17 15.20% 10-6 7.50% 10 -11.20% 3 -5.80% 30 10 10 NO 9.20% 6 13.50% 11-5 6.40% 11 -4.30% 10 -1.50% 21 11 11 TEN 6.60% 21 4.00% 6-10 -4.50% 20 -5.80% 8 5.30% 6 12 12 TB 3.70% 27 8.00% 10-6 8.00% 8 3.70% 23 -0.50% 18 13 13 HOU 2.50% 14 2.20% 6-10 21.70% 2 17.50% 31 -1.70% 23 14 14 CHI 2.40% 25 0.00% 11-5 -15.80% 28 -10.90% 4 7.40% 1 15 15 MIA 1.80% 16 -2.50% 7-9 0.70% 18 -4.80% 9 -3.70% 29 16 16 IND 1.30% 8 1.80% 10-6 13.10% 6 5.50% 24 -6.30% 31 2009 1 1 BAL 29.10% 2 30.60% 9-7 12.80% 9 -14.20% 4 2.20% 8 2 2 GB 29.10% 11 37.40% 11-5 18.80% 5 -17.70% 2 -7.50% 32 3 3 PHI 28.80% 1 31.00% 11-5 9.70% 11 -14.30% 3 4.80% 2 4 4 NE 28.80% 9 22.40% 10-6 26.40% 1 -1.10% 14 1.30% 12 5 5 DAL 25.50% 18 23.20% 11-5 21.70% 3 -2.90% 10 1.00% 14 6 6 NO 21.30% 13 24.80% 13-3 24.30% 2 -0.40% 17 -3.40% 28 7 7 MIN 18.50% 19 23.20% 12-4 12.90% 8 -1.00% 15 4.70% 3 8 8 IND 16.50% 8 18.20% 14-2 16.80% 6 -0.80% 16 -1.10% 19 9 9 NYJ 15.80% 17 18.50% 9-7 -12.50% 22 -25.50% 1 2.80% 6 10 10 PIT 14.20% 4 20.20% 9-7 14.40% 7 -4.60% 9 -4.80% 30 11 11 SD 13.50% 7 17.50% 13-3 19.70% 4 6.50% 23 0.20% 16 12 12 ARI 11.20% 21 15.70% 10-6 6.80% 13 -2.80% 11 1.70% 10 13 13 DEN 10.60% 24 11.90% 8-8 1.30% 18 -9.80% 7 -0.40% 18 14 14 HOU 9.70% 22 14.60% 9-7 9.90% 10 2.50% 20 2.40% 7 15 15 CAR 7.10% 6 0.80% 8-8 -2.00% 20 -12.80% 6 -3.70% 29 16 16 MIA 4.40% 14 0.30% 7-9 4.10% 16 1.50% 18 1.80% 9 2008 1 1 PHI 31.80% 10 28.90% 9-6-2001 6.50% 12 -23.60% 3 1.70% 13 2 2 BAL 27.60% 19 27.50% 11-5 -0.30% 19 -27.80% 2 0.10% 16 3 3 NYG 26.00% 14 24.10% 12-4 18.90% 2 -5.10% 8 1.90% 11 4 4 PIT 26.00% 6 22.80% 12-4 -1.50% 21 -29.00% 1 -1.50% 23 5 5 TEN 23.80% 11 24.10% 13-3 4.00% 16 -18.60% 5 1.30% 14 6 6 CAR 18.00% 26 16.60% 12-4 12.90% 6 -2.40% 13 2.70% 10 7 7 SD 15.30% 7 17.60% 8-8 18.80% 3 5.30% 22 1.80% 12 8 8 IND 15.00% 2 16.30% 12-4 14.20% 5 -3.10% 11 -2.30% 24 9 9 NE 13.10% 1 15.70% 11-5 12.50% 7 3.60% 17 4.20% 6 10 10 TB 9.70% 8 10.30% 9-7 -0.50% 20 -10.70% 6 -0.50% 18 11 11 GB 9.20% 5 7.10% 6-10 7.30% 11 -2.50% 12 -0.50% 19 12 12 WAS 9.10% 13 4.10% 8-8 8.20% 10 -3.40% 10 -2.60% 25 13 13 NO 7.60% 22 8.90% 8-8 16.30% 4 7.80% 26 -0.90% 22 14 14 MIA 6.20% 27 18.30% 11-5 12.00% 8 -0.10% 16 -5.90% 29 15 15 CHI 5.60% 20 3.20% 9-7 -9.00% 22 -9.80% 7 4.70% 5 16 16 ATL 4.70% 28 4.60% 11-5 8.50% 9 7.50% 25 3.80% 7 2007 1 1 NE 52.90% 3 54.20% 16-0 43.50% 1 -5.80% 11 3.60% 7 2 2 IND 28.30% 7 28.00% 13-3 22.20% 2 -13.00% 2 -6.90% 32 3 3 JAC 24.10% 6 21.00% 11-5 21.60% 3 -2.50% 15 0.00% 14 4 4 DAL 22.90% 9 25.70% 13-3 16.60% 4 -6.80% 9 -0.40% 18 5 5 GB 19.80% 19 25.00% 13-3 15.70% 5 -1.20% 16 3.00% 8 6 6 PIT 19.40% 10 21.80% 10-6 8.50% 9 -12.50% 3 -1.60% 21 7 7 SD 18.20% 1 16.50% 11-5 4.60% 14 -8.50% 6 5.10% 5 8 8 TB 17.80% 28 20.60% 9-7 5.80% 13 -11.70% 4 0.30% 12 9 9 SEA 14.70% 24 21.40% 10-6 6.60% 11 -6.90% 8 1.20% 11 10 10 PHI 11.70% 4 6.00% 8-8 12.40% 6 -5.60% 12 -6.40% 31 11 11 TEN 9.90% 22 5.50% 10-6 -4.00% 20 -14.40% 1 -0.40% 17 12 12 CLE 9.70% 26 11.50% 10-6 7.90% 10 6.30% 23 8.10% 2 13 13 WAS 6.40% 21 -0.40% 9-7 -1.00% 17 -7.90% 7 -0.40% 16 14 14 NYG 1.90% 8 -3.20% 10-6 -1.10% 18 -3.80% 13 -0.90% 20 15 15 MIN 1.80% 23 4.30% 8-8 -0.80% 16 -0.10% 17 2.50% 9 16 16 CIN 1.70% 11 6.80% 7-9 12.00% 7 9.50% 27 -0.80% 19 2006 1 1 SD 29.50% 6 35.90% 14-2 25.70% 2 1.10% 15 4.90% 3 2 2 BAL 27.70% 17 30.30% 13-3 0.90% 15 -23.00% 1 3.90% 4 3 3 NE 26.30% 12 28.10% 12-4 14.10% 4 -9.20% 7 2.90% 8 4 4 PHI 25.60% 18 20.90% 10-6 21.10% 3 -7.00% 10 -2.50% 23 5 5 CHI 23.90% 16 29.90% 13-3 -5.00% 20 -20.10% 2 8.70% 1 6 6 JAC 22.50% 11 21.40% 8-8 6.80% 10 -16.10% 3 -0.50% 19 7 7 IND 16.30% 1 14.10% 12-4 28.50% 1 8.50% 25 -3.60% 25 8 8 NYG 13.70% 9 8.00% 8-8 12.00% 7 -1.60% 13 0.10% 17 9 9 DAL 13.00% 13 11.70% 9-7 12.00% 6 -1.50% 14 -0.50% 20 10 10 PIT 9.30% 4 6.10% 8-8 7.10% 9 -7.20% 9 -5.00% 30 11 11 CIN 6.70% 8 4.80% 8-8 14.00% 5 8.70% 26 1.40% 12 12 12 NO 6.40% 28 6.70% 10-6 10.00% 8 4.20% 22 0.60% 14 13 13 CAR 5.40% 10 3.40% 8-8 -2.20% 17 -10.90% 4 -3.20% 24 14 14 KC 5.30% 5 5.50% 9-7 6.30% 11 2.30% 17 1.30% 13 15 15 NYJ -1.10% 26 1.40% 10-6 5.60% 12 10.40% 27 3.70% 5 16 16 MIA -1.20% 15 2.10% 6-10 -10.00% 26 -9.70% 5 -0.90% 21 2005 1 1 IND 32.10% 5 38.30% 14-2 24.50% 3 -10.20% 5 -2.60% 25 2 2 DEN 30.40% 7 28.70% 13-3 26.90% 2 -7.00% 9 -3.60% 28 3 3 SEA 28.40% 15 35.80% 13-3 28.50% 1 -0.70% 16 -0.80% 20 4 4 PIT 27.20% 1 30.90% 11-5 12.00% 8 -13.50% 3 1.60% 10 5 5 KC 24.40% 10 19.00% 10-6 23.70% 4 -2.90% 14 -2.20% 23 6 6 SD 23.30% 9 12.00% 9-7 22.10% 6 -1.10% 15 0.00% 16 7 7 WAS 21.40% 18 13.60% 10-6 8.10% 10 -11.60% 4 1.70% 9 8 8 CIN 19.90% 11 21.50% 11-5 22.90% 5 3.50% 22 0.50% 14 9 9 NYG 18.50% 25 16.80% 11-5 10.20% 9 -3.10% 13 5.20% 3 10 10 CAR 17.70% 14 30.20% 11-5 0.60% 14 -14.20% 2 2.90% 5 11 11 JAC 15.30% 13 17.10% 12-4 5.60% 11 -9.10% 7 0.60% 13 12 12 NE 9.60% 2 7.60% 10-6 17.50% 7 9.20% 27 1.20% 12 13 13 DAL 5.60% 23 1.60% 9-7 2.50% 13 -4.10% 12 -1.00% 22 14 14 TB 3.10% 16 10.20% 11-5 -5.10% 17 -8.60% 8 -0.40% 19 15 15 MIA 2.50% 22 6.10% 9-7 -7.30% 18 -6.10% 10 3.70% 4 16 16 CHI -0.90% 30 -1.70% 11-5 -17.10% 28 -19.40% 1 -3.20% 27 2004 1 1 PIT 37.60% 19 34.70% 15-1 16.30% 8 -18.90% 3 2.40% 10 2 2 NE 34.20% 4 28.70% 14-2 23.30% 3 -10.70% 7 0.20% 16 3 3 BUF 31.30% 23 29.50% 9-7 -5.90% 21 -28.50% 1 8.70% 1 4 4 NYJ 27.00% 13 26.60% 10-6 20.80% 4 -3.70% 14 2.50% 9 5 5 IND 25.90% 3 25.80% 12-4 31.80% 1 3.10% 19 -2.80% 23 6 6 PHI 23.70% 6 21.20% 13-3 14.70% 9 -2.20% 16 6.80% 2 7 7 DEN 22.80% 10 22.40% 10-6 13.80% 10 -12.00% 5 -2.90% 25 8 8 BAL 21.10% 7 13.60% 9-7 -2.10% 16 -19.90% 2 3.30% 8 9 9 SD 17.20% 24 19.20% 12-4 16.70% 7 -4.20% 13 -3.70% 26 10 10 KC 15.10% 1 8.30% 7-9 31.60% 2 16.00% 30 -0.50% 17 11 11 CIN 13.20% 20 3.10% 8-8 3.70% 11 -5.30% 11 4.20% 7 12 12 GB 2.80% 5 5.20% 10-6 17.10% 6 15.20% 29 1.00% 14 13 13 JAC 1.70% 17 -3.20% 9-7 -3.50% 18 -5.80% 10 -0.70% 18 14 14 CAR 1.30% 16 5.60% 7-9 0.00% 13 -4.20% 12 -2.90% 24 15 15 SEA -2.90% 8 5.60% 9-7 2.80% 12 4.00% 21 -1.70% 20 16 16 TB -3.60% 11 -0.80% 5-11 -7.10% 22 -8.00% 8 -4.50% 29 2003 1 1 KC 30.30% 4 32.90% 13-3 33.40% 1 9.40% 25 6.30% 1 2 2 TEN 22.90% 11 24.70% 12-4 17.40% 3 -5.00% 11 0.50% 18 3 3 IND 22.40% 20 21.70% 12-4 17.60% 2 -3.20% 13 1.60% 14 4 4 NE 20.60% 7 20.70% 14-2 1.20% 14 -18.70% 2 0.80% 16 5 5 GB 20.20% 12 22.30% 10-6 11.40% 8 -7.10% 8 1.70% 13 6 6 PHI 19.60% 5 20.50% 12-4 17.10% 4 3.00% 17 5.50% 2 7 7 BAL 15.60% 19 16.40% 10-6 -12.70% 27 -25.00% 1 3.20% 6 8 8 SEA 13.00% 16 13.80% 10-6 16.20% 5 3.40% 19 0.20% 19 9 9 MIA 12.80% 3 11.10% 10-6 -4.60% 17 -14.70% 4 2.70% 8 10 10 DEN 11.80% 8 17.00% 10-6 9.40% 9 -4.20% 12 -1.80% 23 11 11 TB 10.20% 1 10.40% 7-9 -1.00% 16 -17.60% 3 -6.50% 32 12 12 DAL 4.80% 28 9.20% 10-6 -6.80% 21 -12.70% 5 -1.10% 21 13 13 NYJ 3.50% 6 2.10% 6-10 12.00% 7 10.70% 28 2.20% 10 14 14 STL 1.30% 22 12.70% 12-4 -7.50% 22 -11.40% 6 -2.60% 26 15 15 MIN 1.00% 27 5.20% 9-7 13.80% 6 6.90% 23 -5.90% 30 16 16 CAR 0.60% 25 3.90% 11-5 -5.00% 18 -5.10% 10 0.60% 17 2002 1 1 TB 31.60% 4 32.10% 12-4 -3.80% 20 -31.80% 1 3.60% 9 2 2 OAK 28.50% 6 26.10% 11-5 22.00% 2 -6.20% 7 0.30% 15 3 3 MIA 24.90% 10 22.10% 9-7 6.60% 11 -15.00% 2 3.30% 10 4 4 KC 24.40% 16 23.80% 8-8 35.40% 1 14.00% 29 3.10% 11 5 5 PHI 23.60% 1 26.50% 12-4 6.70% 10 -11.20% 4 5.70% 5 6 6 NYJ 16.10% 9 13.10% 9-7 18.00% 4 8.30% 27 6.40% 4 7 7 NE 15.70% 11 13.10% 9-7 7.20% 9 -1.60% 14 6.90% 3 8 8 DEN 15.20% 14 13.90% 9-7 16.60% 5 -0.40% 17 -1.80% 20 9 9 SF 13.00% 3 11.20% 10-6 19.20% 3 2.10% 20 -4.10% 26 10 10 ATL 10.80% 25 13.10% 9-6-2001 1.60% 16 -4.10% 12 5.20% 6 11 11 TEN 9.20% 18 10.50% 11-5 8.30% 6 -0.20% 18 0.60% 13 12 12 GB 7.70% 5 10.70% 12-4 3.00% 14 -8.60% 5 -3.80% 25 13 13 PIT 6.80% 7 4.70% 10-5-2001 6.60% 12 -5.30% 9 -5.10% 28 14 14 NO 6.10% 22 6.80% 9-7 -4.40% 21 1.70% 19 12.20% 1 15 15 CLE 1.60% 20 -0.30% 9-7 -6.20% 24 -5.10% 10 2.70% 12 16 16 SEA 0.70% 15 -3.60% 7-9 8.10% 7 7.70% 26 0.30% 14 2001 1 1 PHI 27.30% 8 25.80% 11-5 2.90% 12 -15.50% 1 8.90% 1 2 2 STL 25.90% 10 30.80% 14-2 20.50% 2 -11.70% 5 -6.40% 29 3 3 SF 20.20% 20 21.50% 12-4 21.00% 1 0.10% 15 -0.70% 20 4 4 TB 18.80% 6 16.10% 9-7 2.90% 13 -15.40% 2 0.50% 17 5 5 GB 18.70% 13 24.50% 12-4 8.50% 6 -8.10% 8 2.20% 10 6 6 OAK 18.40% 5 17.60% 10-6 18.00% 3 0.50% 17 0.90% 14 7 7 PIT 17.30% 4 22.50% 13-3 14.70% 4 -6.80% 9 -4.10% 26 8 8 CHI 15.80% 24 19.10% 13-3 -0.70% 18 -11.50% 6 5.00% 4 9 9 NYJ 11.30% 12 13.60% 10-6 4.10% 10 -6.50% 11 0.70% 15 10 10 MIA 9.00% 2 4.30% 11-5 -3.20% 20 -6.70% 10 5.50% 2 11 11 NE 7.90% 21 12.00% 11-5 3.40% 11 -1.50% 13 3.10% 6 12 12 BAL 7.00% 3 4.40% 10-6 -7.00% 24 -12.50% 4 1.40% 12 13 13 SD 6.90% 27 6.50% 5-11 0.00% 17 -5.00% 12 1.90% 11 14 14 DEN 2.10% 9 8.30% 8-8 0.80% 15 0.90% 19 2.20% 8 15 15 SEA 0.00% 25 -1.80% 9-7 1.60% 14 -0.30% 14 -2.00% 23 16 16 KC -0.40% 16 -2.60% 6-10 11.10% 5 9.50% 24 -2.00% 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeightTheVillain Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Sasquatch said: Think they’ll win or just cover the 4 points? The 52 experts at NFL Pickwatch are basically split on their picks against the spread. http://nflpickwatch.com/ats/ I think they will win. Keenum has never played in the playoffs. That's usually a recipe for a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If you're among the best 5 teams in the NFL that year, you have an elite team. My point still remains, the Pats over the last half decade have had one tough playoff game every year, and that's usually the AFCCG. Meanwhile every week the NFC pits two teams against each other that have a chance to go to the SB. This season was again no exception, in the AFC, you have 2 teams in NE/PITT that have a chance. Outside shot for Jax if Bortles can hide how bad he is for 4 quarters. We'll have to agree to disagree as to what constitutes an "elite" team. But I do agree with you that NE's road through the AFC to the SB has been pretty easy in recent years. I also agree the AFC East has been mediocre to bad for much of NE's run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 @squire12 I can't read that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: @squire12 I can't read that! Wait until you sober up, or put on reading glasses. On the serious side, what specifically are you having a hard to reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: Wait until you sober up, or put on reading glasses. On the serious side, what specifically are you having a hard to reading? I realized it was helpful to read your text before attempting to climb the "wall of excel misfortune". I had fallen into a pit of data despair, but your words illuminated a path to redemption. Maybe in the future you can just send us a raven from the top of the wall with your summary of the events that transpired... we trust your data analysis skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNPackfan32 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 OVERRATED AND NOT THAT GOOD TJ WATT GETTING NO PRESSURE! GETTING PUNKED BY THE JAGUARS AND VERY BAD BLAKE BORTLES!! SAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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