TitanSS Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 In a 4-3, I think he's your SOLB. He doesn't offer the 3 down ability that 4-3 teams generally look for in their MLB. Maybe this has changed over the years, but when I think of a 4-3 MLB, I think of the leader of the defense calling plays in the huddle. That's not Williamson. I think he's strictly a 2 down 3-4 inside LB. You're "thumper" or "phone booth" player as players are often designated during the draft. If you have to move him to SOLB in a 4-3 and he gets manned up on a TE, you're screwed. That said, I think he will be massively over-valued in Free Agency. He may be awful in coverage, but he is very good against the run. Some team is going to pay him a lot of money and (wrongly) think they can use him in a way that he won't be exposed in the passing game (Jonathan Cyprien anyone?). Shutting down the run, even in a passing league, is still very important to every team. It's a hell of a lot easier to convert 3rd and 4 than it is 3rd and 8. We were one of the best teams at stopping people from running between the tackles, and he was a big part of that, but I think his deficiencies in coverage make him the easiest in the front seven to let go. DaQuan Jones should be brought back and Williamson should be offered a fair price to return as a situational player, but someone else will offer him more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin615$ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Vrabel probably gets Brian Cushing in FA now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSlim Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Justin615$ said: Vrabel probably gets Brian Cushing in FA now Yuck.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imDelusional Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, TitanSlim said: Yuck.... Co-sign. That'd be really gross. Even with his market value being low and signing him probably coming cheap, I don't see how he contributes to anything positive on the field at this point. PED's aside, he's also about as injury prone as they come. Maybe Vrabel thinks he can be a veteran player/coach type, but we have plenty of veteran leadership at LB and those guys can actually produce on the field, too. Hopefully that doesn't even come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Justin615$ said: Vrabel probably gets Brian Cushing in FA now Let's not assume that every player with a connection to him is going to be here. We don't know if he really even likes Cushing. If Cushing comes here, it would probably be an 1 year, $1million contract with no guarantees of being starter on the roster. Cushing is like one more strike from permanent ban ain't he? Might as well re-sign Williamson. Avery is a better version of Cushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I know I've seen someone mention Paul Richardson as a WR FA target. I'm also looking at Taylor Gabriel from the Falcons. Speed guy, familiar with LaFleur and the time in ATL. Even without the Lafleur connection, I think Gabriel would be a good target. Can't just assume that any player is going to take the leap. So if you say that him and Taywan Taylor are the same guy, well at least Gabriel has shown to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanRedd Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, KingTitan said: I know I've seen someone mention Paul Richardson as a WR FA target. I'm also looking at Taylor Gabriel from the Falcons. Speed guy, familiar with LaFleur and the time in ATL. Even without the Lafleur connection, I think Gabriel would be a good target. Can't just assume that any player is going to take the leap. So if you say that him and Taywan Taylor are the same guy, well at least Gabriel has shown to get it. I want Paul Richardson, reasons why he can take the top off a defense, runs great routes, knows how to adjust & break his routes off playing wit a mobil QB that creates on the run. I’m sold on him. Put him & Davis on the outside Matthews’s as a big slot Taywan as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans fan 617 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I’m on the Richardson bandwagon as well. I would really like to get Watkins but I feel like someone will over pay like Baltimore Indy or who ever. After Watkins, Richardson and Allan Robinson would be 2 of the guys id like to get. I don’t expect both obviously but either one would be fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolateman78 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 8 hours ago, KingTitan said: I know I've seen someone mention Paul Richardson as a WR FA target. I'm also looking at Taylor Gabriel from the Falcons. Speed guy, familiar with LaFleur and the time in ATL. Even without the Lafleur connection, I think Gabriel would be a good target. Can't just assume that any player is going to take the leap. So if you say that him and Taywan Taylor are the same guy, well at least Gabriel has shown to get it. At a certain point you need to let the guys you have develop. If you want to really upgrade the slot position spring for Landry. Grabriel has never been more than the 4th or 5th option in a passing game at best. He's not significantly better than Taylor now and Taylor is cheaper and has more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolateman78 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 19 hours ago, Justin615$ said: Vrabel probably gets Brian Cushing in FA now Vrabel doesn't sign players. and IMO Jrob won't sign washed up old LBs with career long PED issues. Cushing is likely done unless a team gets desperate because of a training camp injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans fan 617 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I don’t want Cushing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolateman78 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Speaking of LBs, what we do there is quite a conundrum. I have two questions. I wonder what they believe Jayon Brown's ceiling to be? Do they see him as a role player/ 3rd down specialist. Or do they believe that he can eventually supplant Wesley Woodyard as the 3 down ILB in our system. If they move on from Williamson, how will they fill his position? I'm not sure how many FA are objectively better than Avery. And of we decide to draft his replacement will we go into the draft for the 3rd year needing a starter at a position (RT-2016, WR&CB -2017) Furthermore will they look to replace Avery with someone who can thump the way he can? Alot of people love Roquan smith, but I'm a bit hesitant to have 3 ILB who are all smaller than Kam Chancellor. I'm even more hesitant because I think we don't have a great situation in front of them. Sylvester Williams proved to be the bad signing I thought he would be and I think they view Austin Johnson as more of a 5 tech than a NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolateman78 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Speaking of Sylvester Williams, I hope J Rob makes some better FA decisions this offseason. Williams, IMO, was a bust. Cyprien looks overpaid one year into his deal. Although I have some faith with him under Pees. Decker was trash, and while trawick wound up in the Pro bowl the collective money they spent on Bates, Trawick, and Eric Weems, guys meant primarily to impact special teams, crashed and burned. our units were bottom third in kick/punt coverage. Logan Ryan was the only beneficial FA addition last year. I'm curious to see if they move on from Cyprien or Williams. Both could carry dead money, but I believe both are places where we could use more talent. Particularly at NT if we lose Avery and his replacement isn't as big a thumper in the run game. Free Agency is hard for me to gauge this year. I may be the only person who doesn't believe they will add anything significant at WR this offseason. IMO the biggest off-season acquisition on offense is and will be Matt Lesheur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just so calm. About everything. At all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Chocolateman78 said: Speaking of LBs, what we do there is quite a conundrum. I have two questions. I wonder what they believe Jayon Brown's ceiling to be? Do they see him as a role player/ 3rd down specialist. Or do they believe that he can eventually supplant Wesley Woodyard as the 3 down ILB in our system. If they move on from Williamson, how will they fill his position? I'm not sure how many FA are objectively better than Avery. And of we decide to draft his replacement will we go into the draft for the 3rd year needing a starter at a position (RT-2016, WR&CB -2017) Furthermore will they look to replace Avery with someone who can thump the way he can? Alot of people love Roquan smith, but I'm a bit hesitant to have 3 ILB who are all smaller than Kam Chancellor. I'm even more hesitant because I think we don't have a great situation in front of them. Sylvester Williams proved to be the bad signing I thought he would be and I think they view Austin Johnson as more of a 5 tech than a NT. I don't get Sylvester Williams being a bad signing because of his play against the run. If you want to bring up his contract for a guy who plays 30% of the snaps because he can't rush the passer, sure, but only a handful of NTs actually stay in on pass-rushing downs. But to say he played poorly against the run I just find false. We allowed 3.6 YPC last year, which was much better than the 4.0 YPC mark we had in 2016. We were particularly stout up the middle and he was part of that improvement. Austin Johnson, at least for our last coaching staff, was used as kind of a NT/DE tweener, but there's no telling what the current staff sees in him. For what it's worth, he was previously listed on the depth chart as our #2 NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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