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[Cakeshoppe]

16 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Is it conspiracy theory to doubt the legitimacy of this? 

I mean, there are 1700 players on a roster every single year.
Even without turnover, that's 17,000 players in a decade.

Considering practice squad, other professional leagues and players who just don't make the NFL, there have probably been 100,000 football players since 2009. 

So if there were 100 players since 2009 with brain issues out of 100,000 people, that's 1 percent of the population suffering from brain issues/CTE. 

It just seems like if there was a serious correlation between football and that, there would be a higher rate of people suffering from it. 

Additionally, even if it was the NFL, are those odds any worse than other common job hazards? 

NFL players at the very bottom of a roster, and practice squad, still make probably 50-100 thousand a year, right? 

Crab fishing is one of the most dangerous professions in the world, and they're making 50,000 with captains making about 200,000 a year. 

So why is it on the NFL to be culpable for this? 

Chime in.  Am I insensitive, on to something, what? 

CTE is only detectable after death because you have to actually autopsy the brain to diagnose. There’s some research going on suggesting that there may be biomarkers for dementia that are detectable while the patient is still living but they are far from being clinically useful at the moment. So part of the issue is that in order to detect CTE, these people have to have died and had an autopsy within the span that people were actually looking at CTE as an issue in football, and it has to have been reported publicly or else they have to have signed on to donate their brain for research ahead of time. Independent studies have shown something like over 90% of ex-NFL players examined had lesions in the brain. 

The issue with culpability and relative hazard has to do with the fact that the NFL was aware of the risks of repeated head injury (in a specific way, beyond the general “it’s probably not good for you”  kind of deal) and covered it up. 

Another issue with these kinds of injuries is that while some of the psychological effects resemble the kinds of psychological health issues that people in the general public experience, they don’t necessarily react the same way to treatment. I think this is because the root of the problem is actual damage to the brain and not just chemical factors, but you’d have to ask someone who knows more about neurology than I do. But someone with a history of head trauma who has severe depression as a result, that depression is less likely to respond to the common antidepressants than it would is someone whose psychological health problems are not rooted in cranial trauma. 

[HighCalebR]

12 minutes ago, Norm said:

Teabagging a trainer?

Oof. Never heard that one I guess. Knew he was too weird to be squeaky clean.

[festiveonion]

5 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said:

We'd boo ... the timing was poor.  A major decision like that would work best during the offseason .. prior to the draft .. not days before the season kicks off.  I know you can't always control a retirement situation, but to do it right before the season kind of rips the heart out of the fan base.  We would be in dire straights if Rodgers up and called it quits today .. literally would go from a fringe playoff team to perhaps worst team in the league.

Exactly. 

Just gotta wonder how something like that was leaked. Yikes

[Norm]

14 minutes ago, Donzo said:

OK, that makes it worse... Now, you said that as a statement of fact. Was that conceded or proven? Or, an allegation.

Not proven at all obviously but I'm pretty sure there was all these people saying they'd heard about it from players and word of mouth for years before it actually came out. Who knows

[deathstar]

1 hour ago, Norm said:

Not proven at all obviously but I'm pretty sure there was all these people saying they'd heard about it from players and word of mouth for years before it actually came out. Who knows

The school paid her $300,000 and she left UT, so it definitely happened. Manning defamed her in a book, too, which led to another lawsuit because she was fired from her new position due to what he wrote.

https://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

Edited August 27, 2019 by deathstar

[Norm]

44 minutes ago, deathstar said:

The school paid her $300,000 and she left UT, so it definitely happened. Manning defamed her in a book, too, which led to another lawsuit because she was fired from her new position due to what he wrote.

https://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

Yeah I remember he said some nasty things about her, his father too or something. Mannings are pretty good at making things go away I guess, hardly anyone knows about it

[vegas492]

2 hours ago, HighCalebR said:

Oof. Never heard that one I guess. Knew he was too weird to be squeaky clean.

Peyton Manning is a dirtball, just look at how he interacted with these kids.  Role model my a.......

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iba-1&hsimp=yhs-1&hspart=iba&p=Peyton+Manning+SNL+kids+skit#id=1&vid=a4821b6e53e4559a665ce77b2accd050&action=view

[Donzo]

2 hours ago, deathstar said:

The school paid her $300,000 and she left UT, so it definitely happened. Manning defamed her in a book, too, which led to another lawsuit because she was fired from her new position due to what he wrote.

https://thebiglead.com/2014/09/18/peyton-manning-1996-tennessee-lawsuit-trainer-bare-butt-mooning/

 

"it definitely happened"- what is "it"? What defiantly happened?  A $300K payout looks like a  business decision by UT. That would be cheaper than lawyer fees in a full blown trial. If Manning "stuck his junk in her face, as has been reported in this thread, the payout should have been considerably higher. I don't believe criminal charges were ever filed either. That's not consistent with sexual assault.

How did Manning defame her? From what I understand she claimed he broke his confidentiality agreement. That was the root of her defamation lawsuit, not for literally getting defamed. Lastly, what did she sue for, wasn't it like $10K? Which is silly.

[PACKRULE]

4 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

Is it conspiracy theory to doubt the legitimacy of this? 

I mean, there are 1700 players on a roster every single year.
Even without turnover, that's 17,000 players in a decade.

Considering practice squad, other professional leagues and players who just don't make the NFL, there have probably been 100,000 football players since 2009. 

So if there were 100 players since 2009 with brain issues out of 100,000 people, that's 1 percent of the population suffering from brain issues/CTE. 

It just seems like if there was a serious correlation between football and that, there would be a higher rate of people suffering from it. 

Additionally, even if it was the NFL, are those odds any worse than other common job hazards? 

NFL players at the very bottom of a roster, and practice squad, still make probably 50-100 thousand a year, right? 

Crab fishing is one of the most dangerous professions in the world, and they're making 50,000 with captains making about 200,000 a year. 

So why is it on the NFL to be culpable for this? 

Chime in.  Am I insensitive, on to something, what? 

I think what i see with stuff like this is a clear picture for people to dig a bit deeper. No one knows what or how some of these retired or out of the league players are handling their lives. It's easy to point the finger at CTE but there are other factors that cause people issues. I can only imange for some being retired and broke before 40 can be tough. Is there or are there other things going on like drugs or booze. Just so many questions that would lead me to question and try and dig deeper before I blame football. Football may be to blame but in reading the tweets i think there is more to it much more to it.

[PACKRULE]

1 minute ago, Donzo said:

 

"it definitely happened"- what is "it"? What defiantly happened?  A $300K payout looks like a  business decision by UT. That would be cheaper than lawyer fees in a full blown trial. If Manning "stuck his junk in her face, as has been reported in this thread, the payout should have been considerably higher. I don't believe criminal charges were ever filed either. That's not consistent with sexual assault.

How did Manning defame her? From what I understand she claimed he broke his confidentiality agreement. That was the root of her defamation lawsuit, not for literally getting defamed. Lastly, what did she sue for, wasn't it like $10K? Which is silly.

Back in my sports days we call that a ham........it's bullying and wrong i did it and today feel shame for it. But to put a price on it is kind of silly really. Every pain has a price which is clearly wrong in our world. Win the lotto or get lucky enough to get spoken, to or touched inproperly and you cash in. Yet victims of real crime get nothing.

[Joe]

Peyton pulled a frat boy college stunt and still refers to the victim as a "dirty woman" IIRC. He completely ruined her career and gets away with it because it's really the only really bad thing he's ever done that we are aware of.

On the other hand, had it been 10 years prior, we probably wouldn't have heard of it, just like we never heard about Jim Kelly getting pissed at an escort who wouldn't sleep with him and gave her a splinter glass facial with his tumbler as a result. Oh, and he also punched his pregnant wife at one point too. That stuff doesn't make the news though when you do those things at a private party run by certain businessmen(taps nose twice); not in a college athletic facility...

[Norm]

4 minutes ago, Joe said:

Peyton pulled a frat boy college stunt and still refers to the victim as a "dirty woman" IIRC. He completely ruined her career and gets away with it because it's really the only really bad thing he's ever done that we are aware of.

On the other hand, had it been 10 years prior, we probably wouldn't have heard of it, just like we never heard about Jim Kelly getting pissed at an escort who wouldn't sleep with him and gave her a splinter glass facial with his tumbler as a result. Oh, and he also punched his pregnant wife at one point too. That stuff doesn't make the news though when you do those things at a private party run by certain businessmen(taps nose twice); not in a college athletic facility...

Is that **** ******* true? I've never heard that. I hang out with old boys all the time that talk about what athletes used to get away with, never heard those

[Donzo]

6 minutes ago, PACKRULE said:

Back in my sports days we call that a ham........it's bullying and wrong i did it and today feel shame for it. But to put a price on it is kind of silly really. Every pain has a price which is clearly wrong in our world. Win the lotto or get lucky enough to get spoken, to or touched inproperly and you cash in. Yet victims of real crime get nothing.

OK, I've seen the pattern here. People are making specific allegations. When asked for details about those specific allegations, none will be given... I got it.

For myself, my memory has been jarred a little. I'm a Gator fan and posted a lot back in the day on A Gator board when this went down. As you can imagine there was lot heat on Mr. University of Tennessee football, Peyton Manning. For all the stuff said about Manning, next to none of it was close to being proved. 

All said and done, I think Peyton treated the female assistant just like he treated a male assistant. They were talking trash to each other and Peyton flashed her. It only happens a million times a day in a locker room. I don't know how that's even close to bullying. 

[deathstar]

29 minutes ago, Donzo said:

 

"it definitely happened"- what is "it"? What defiantly happened?  A $300K payout looks like a  business decision by UT. That would be cheaper than lawyer fees in a full blown trial. If Manning "stuck his junk in her face, as has been reported in this thread, the payout should have been considerably higher. I don't believe criminal charges were ever filed either. That's not consistent with sexual assault.

How did Manning defame her? From what I understand she claimed he broke his confidentiality agreement. That was the root of her defamation lawsuit, not for literally getting defamed. Lastly, what did she sue for, wasn't it like $10K? Which is silly.

From the article I posted:
 

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she was examining Manning to see why Manning was having pain in one of his feet and was crouched behind him when “entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright’s head and face.”

As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: “It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”

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Why is any of this relevant? In 2001, she was the program director of the Athletic Training Educational Program at Florida Southern College. In 2002, Manning’s book came out and the “vulgar” label hit the trainer. She lost her job as the program director.

Manning settled out of court with the trainer in 2003. She came after Manning again in 2005 after he violated the settlement by talking to ESPN about it.

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by deathstar

[Donzo]

5 minutes ago, Joe said:

Peyton pulled a frat boy college stunt. (That happens to the big, the small, the males and females)

He completely ruined her career and gets away with it because it's really the only really bad thing he's ever done that we are aware of.

100% agree on the first sentence...  100% disagree on the second sentence. When she played the victim card without taking responsibility for her own actions, then she has culpability for the results.

That's enough of that. A lot of stuff being stated as fact without confirming references. It wont end well if it continues.