spilltray Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Eh it's not as bad as Suh. Suh whent after guys on the ground for cheap shots. Garrett and Rudolph get into an altercation, Rudolph is tugging at Garret's helmet first, and then when the ol are backing him away Rudolph follows, still yapping. Obviously Garrett is dead wrong, but Rudolph had a hand in escalating it to that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 hours ago, spilltray said: Eh it's not as bad as Suh. Suh whent after guys on the ground for cheap shots. Garrett and Rudolph get into an altercation, Rudolph is tugging at Garret's helmet first, and then when the ol are backing him away Rudolph follows, still yapping. Obviously Garrett is dead wrong, but Rudolph had a hand in escalating it to that level. Enabler point of view. If someone rips your helmet off you're going to just walk away and have nothing to say? The Browns are easy to dislike this year. In this game alone they were helmet on helmet the whole game. They hate each other, were yapping all game. C'mon man, there is no justification for drilling someone's unprotected head with their own helmet you have just ripped off of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The internet is in full on Outrage Olympics mode this morning lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It's the perception more than the reality in Garrett's case. He's gonna be suspended the entire year. Possibly more. What he did was no worse than what Hunt, Hill, Brown or half the other major things in the league. Haynesworth was worse. Suh was worse. Burfict was worse. Mike Evans was worse. Hell, what AJ Green did a couple years ago was worse. Each of them made conscious efforts to HARM another player. Actively trying to injure them. Garrett lost his composure and swung a helmet at Rudolph. If you watch the video, he didn't take the helmet off with the intention of swinging it. Rudolph tried removing Garrett's helmet, and he also tried stomping on Garrett. Garrett actively and consciously removed Rudolph's helmet; Rudolph tried to retaliate, and Garrett was like, "**** it, I got this helmet Imana swing it." He was being tugged at and distracted and he swung a helmet. It's really not much different than when players lose their composure and think it's a good idea to punch someone who is wearing a helmet. But, unfortunately, rivalry game, garbage time, swinging a helmet could literally kill someone. It's a really bad perception, and a highly talented (and I'm sure strong character) player is about to miss healthy time from what was looking like a Hall of Fame career. What's worse is that he will never be able to live this down. He could go on to break White's career sack record (don't even at me about Bruce Smith) and still be remembered as the guy who swung a helmet. Feel bad for him. A split second ruining the rest of your life... Terrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: It's the perception more than the reality in Garrett's case. He's gonna be suspended the entire year. Possibly more. What he did was no worse than what Hunt, Hill, Brown or half the other major things in the league. Haynesworth was worse. Suh was worse. Burfict was worse. Mike Evans was worse. Hell, what AJ Green did a couple years ago was worse. Each of them made conscious efforts to HARM another player. Actively trying to injure them. Garrett lost his composure and swung a helmet at Rudolph. If you watch the video, he didn't take the helmet off with the intention of swinging it. Rudolph tried removing Garrett's helmet, and he also tried stomping on Garrett. Garrett actively and consciously removed Rudolph's helmet; Rudolph tried to retaliate, and Garrett was like, "**** it, I got this helmet Imana swing it." He was being tugged at and distracted and he swung a helmet. It's really not much different than when players lose their composure and think it's a good idea to punch someone who is wearing a helmet. But, unfortunately, rivalry game, garbage time, swinging a helmet could literally kill someone. It's a really bad perception, and a highly talented (and I'm sure strong character) player is about to miss healthy time from what was looking like a Hall of Fame career. What's worse is that he will never be able to live this down. He could go on to break White's career sack record (don't even at me about Bruce Smith) and still be remembered as the guy who swung a helmet. Feel bad for him. A split second ruining the rest of your life... Terrible. Often times those terrible split second decisions do ruin lives. Both the victims and the engaged. Coaches preach all the time about control. He lost his control and will pay a just price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, Golfman said: Often times those terrible split second decisions do ruin lives. Both the victims and the engaged. Coaches preach all the time about control. He lost his control and will pay a just price. A just price relative to what? If he's banned for more than a year, no, that will not be a just price. Not in a league where Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill are continuing their careers after a year or less. Peterson, too. Swinging a helmet in the heat of a football game at an NFL player - Not equal to - harming a woman/child in the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, Outpost31 said: A just price relative to what? If he's banned for more than a year, no, that will not be a just price. Not in a league where Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill are continuing their careers after a year or less. Peterson, too. Swinging a helmet in the heat of a football game at an NFL player - Not equal to - harming a woman/child in the real world. I think his season his done, but he'll get his chance at redemption. I'd say 6 game suspension and mandatory anger management training. Garrett has racked up several personal fouls this years and has been fined multiple times. He need a serious timeout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestar Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: It's the perception more than the reality in Garrett's case. He's gonna be suspended the entire year. Possibly more. What he did was no worse than what Hunt, Hill, Brown or half the other major things in the league. Haynesworth was worse. Suh was worse. Burfict was worse. Mike Evans was worse. Hell, what AJ Green did a couple years ago was worse. Each of them made conscious efforts to HARM another player. Actively trying to injure them. Garrett lost his composure and swung a helmet at Rudolph. If you watch the video, he didn't take the helmet off with the intention of swinging it. Rudolph tried removing Garrett's helmet, and he also tried stomping on Garrett. Garrett actively and consciously removed Rudolph's helmet; Rudolph tried to retaliate, and Garrett was like, "**** it, I got this helmet Imana swing it." He was being tugged at and distracted and he swung a helmet. It's really not much different than when players lose their composure and think it's a good idea to punch someone who is wearing a helmet. But, unfortunately, rivalry game, garbage time, swinging a helmet could literally kill someone. It's a really bad perception, and a highly talented (and I'm sure strong character) player is about to miss healthy time from what was looking like a Hall of Fame career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Wonder if Damarious is looking at missing some additional time along with Garrett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, {Family Ghost} said: I think his season his done, but he'll get his chance at redemption. I'd say 6 game suspension and mandatory anger management training. Garrett has racked up several personal fouls this years and has been fined multiple times. He need a serious timeout. And that’s definitely fair. He needs to know that things that could damn near kill someone can’t be tolerated. He needs the fear of God instilled in him that if he does this again he will never play again, and other NFL players need to know, too. To suspend him for more than the remainder of this year though... Not called for. It’s different if he removed the helmet then immediately used it as a weapon, but that’s not the case. He removed the helmet and then, with distractions, being pushed by one, then Rudolph coming at him... He reacted. If anything it shows he’s not good and composed under pressure, not that he’s some vile, heinous human being. Think Mike Evans the year he had time enough to sprint and nail what’s his face in the back. That was significantly worse. He made a decision a few yards away and then carried it out with plenty of time to pull up and change his mind. He wasn’t being attacked, he wasn’t a part of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 He certainly didn't need the helmet to defend himself. Agree with Outpost on this one as it is. Dumb on Rudolph's part too leading up to it. Will be interesting to see how the league reacts on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: A just price relative to what? If he's banned for more than a year, no, that will not be a just price. Not in a league where Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill are continuing their careers after a year or less. Peterson, too. Swinging a helmet in the heat of a football game at an NFL player - Not equal to - harming a woman/child in the real world. If you swing a hard object at someone at your place of work, your work is going to treat you more harshly than if you are involved in domestic violence. There is a difference between what these players do with their jerseys on than what they do off the field. So, yes, him being suspended from the NFL longer than Hunt or Hill is justified for the NFL. Those guys have gone through legal proceedings, which Garrett likely won't have to. Edited November 15, 2019 by JBURGE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Where is the discussion regarding Pouncey? While Garrett is tied up with another OL Pouncing is throwing haymakers. When Garrett was taken to the ground and on his back, Pouncey is kicking him in the head. Pouncey should be out for the year along with Garrett, , and have the same stain on his record that garret receives. Both lost their composure in an unacceptable fashion. One could argue that at least Garrett was reacting to having his helmet twisting and pulled. Rudolph should be missing a game or two for starting the entire mess as well. He went after the head and facemask to initiate the entire event. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 He didn't try to do harm by swinging a helmet at his bare head? Lol come on..... I don't feel an ounce of sorry for Garrett. He punched Delanie Walker in the face earlier in the year. He's a hot head, that's fine, you need some of those guys on the team IMO, but you do the crime, you do the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse65 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I believe the Browns must be forced to swallow some of this based on the undisciplined play of the entire team. A subtle hint to the management. This season is pretty much in the crapper so only being suspended for six weeks means nothing to the organization. 6 games next year as well will get their attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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