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[Leader]

They're dropping like flies.......

WRs Marvin Jones, Alshon Jeffreys, Mike Evans, DL Marcus Davenport & Sheldon Rankin....all out for the season. 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

3 hours ago, Kenrik said:

They went all in on the hopes they had a rookie QB that was going to be above average. The money they saved from the rookie QB went to the next most important position. They went 12-4 with that gamble. The defense was dominating last year and they've dealt with injuries this year and Turdbisky isn't very good. 

I think this is exactly correct.  They used outpost's theory about QB's.

They went all in on the first contract QB and the bet failed.  

[Golfman]

2 hours ago, Leader said:

They're dropping like flies.......

WRs Marvin Jones, Alshon Jeffreys, Mike Evans, DL Marcus Davenport & Sheldon Rankin....all out for the season. 

Weston Richburg too, the 9ers starting center out for the year. It's a pretty big deal to them. 

[AlexGreen#20]

3 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

I think this is exactly correct.  They used outpost's theory about QB's.

They went all in on the first contract QB and the bet failed.  

Outpost's theory hate the Khalil Mack trade. 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

10 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Outpost's theory hate the Khalil Mack trade. 

Outpost's hate of the Mack trade is just a corollary that develops from the principle theorem.

The Mack trade simply slows their response to the failure of the QB issue.  But one could argue that based on the principle theorem that one has the best chance to win with the younger underpaid QB, they were getting into a win now mode before they were going to have to jettison the young QB and needed a SB win to garner enormous numbers of first round picks in trade.

[SSG]

17 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

You give up picks and cash for Mack when you're there, like we are now, or New Orleans, NE, Balt, San Fran etc..

The Bears went all in on a bad hand and obviously are going to lose because of it. Mack himself isn't hurting the Bears, the money and picks lost are.

I think it's premature to say that they've been effected by either the picks lost or the money just yet.  His contract hasn't caused them to lose any difference makers nor has it stopped them from extending their own.  They let Amos and Callhan leave for huge pay days and have more than replaced both players with much more affordable UFA signings.  As far as the pick they've lost SO FAR, we're getting just as much of an impact from our #12 pick this year as their getting from their first rounder in 2019 and they didn't have one.  

 

 

[MacReady]

10 minutes ago, SSG said:

I think it's premature to say that they've been effected by either the picks lost or the money just yet.  His contract hasn't caused them to lose any difference makers nor has it stopped them from extending their own.  They let Amos and Callhan leave for huge pay days and have more than replaced both players with much more affordable UFA signings.  As far as the pick they've lost SO FAR, we're getting just as much of an impact from our #12 pick this year as their getting from their first rounder in 2019 and they didn't have one.  

 

 

Jesus, people believe this drivel.  They’re more affordable free agents because they’re worse players.  They added absolutely nobody of consequence.  Not for now, not for the future.  With what it took to acquire him and what Mack was paid, we were able to afford not one, not two, not three but four significant free agent signings plus draft a developmental EDGE and a starting safety.  To think people think Mack is worth four starters.  To think he’s worth 5 starters.  To think he’s worth five starters and a future 6th starter.  

[SSG]

17 hours ago, Golfman said:

The reality is the Bears are either going to roll with Trubisky and hope he can be middle of the road or they are going to start cutting payroll to be able to go and get a QB in free agency. The players this year: Bridgewater, Winston, Mariota, Tannehill (assuming Tenn doesn't franchise him), E Manning (clearly going to be released by the Giants). 

They do not have the draft capital to make a move for a QB in the draft. So they likely move on from L. Floyd, who they have a 13 million 5th year option to or A. Hicks. Mack's cap # is 26.6 next year. Over 10% of your cap to a guy who is likely going to wind up with barely 10 sacks this year. 7.5 so far. 

If they decide to give Trubisky a 5th year option they'd be on the hook for about 23 million in 2021. 

Funny now how we're talking about a Bear and sacks are the end all be all.  This off season I questioned the massive contract of Zadarius Smit  because of his terrible sack production over his career.  7.5 sacks was damn near his best season as a pro and he got a massive contract.

There has been nothing wrong with Khalil Mack this year.  His sack numbers are down but he's still been an elite difference maker that demands as much attention as any defensive player in the NFL. 

If they let Floyd walk it's because he's not worth the money, not because they can't keep him.  Hicks isn't a UFA until 2022.  Chicago has more salary cap space than we do, it's premature to say Mack's contract is forcing them into moves they wouldn't otherwise be making.  This last off season they paid Fuller like a top 5 CB and brought in an UFA CB to replace Callahan.  

Edited December 12, 2019 by SSG

[TheBitzMan]

8 minutes ago, SSG said:

Funny now how we're talking about a Bear and sacks are the end all be all.  This off season I questioned the massive contract of Zadarius Smit  because of his terrible sack production over his career.  7.5 sacks was damn near his best season as a pro and he got a massive contract.

There has been nothing wrong with Khalil Mack this year.  His sack numbers are down but he's still been an elite difference maker that demands as much attention as any defensive player in the NFL. 

If they let Floyd walk it's because he's not worth the money, not because they can't keep him.  Hicks isn't a UFA until 2022.  Chicago has more salary cap space than we do, it's premature to say Mack's contract is forcing them into moves they wouldn't otherwise be making.  This last off season they paid Fuller like a top 5 CB and brought in an UFA CB to replace Callhoun.  

Just dropping this here...

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by TheBitzMan

[Packerraymond]

30 minutes ago, SSG said:

Funny now how we're talking about a Bear and sacks are the end all be all.  This off season I questioned the massive contract of Zadarius Smit  because of his terrible sack production over his career.  7.5 sacks was damn near his best season as a pro and he got a massive contract.

There has been nothing wrong with Khalil Mack this year.  His sack numbers are down but he's still been an elite difference maker that demands as much attention as any defensive player in the NFL. 

If they let Floyd walk it's because he's not worth the money, not because they can't keep him.  Hicks isn't a UFA until 2022.  Chicago has more salary cap space than we do, it's premature to say Mack's contract is forcing them into moves they wouldn't otherwise be making.  This last off season they paid Fuller like a top 5 CB and brought in an UFA CB to replace Callahan.  

They don't have more cap than us, that's wrong. They are strapped.

Also using the production we got from our #12 pick this year is horrible reasoning for saying that the picks they gave up weren't valuable. 

The Bears are cash strapped with a bad QB, that's the definition of going all in and failing. They have no money nor picks to upgrade the most important position on the team.

Aren't you Mr Accountability? Letting the Bears management off the hook for a massive commitment of picks and money they made that has yielded them 0 playoff wins through 2 seasons. I'd hold them more accountable than that.

[MacReady]

Just now, SSG said:

Funny now how we're talking about a Bear and sacks are the end all be all.  This off season I questioned the massive contract of Zadarius Smit  because of his terrible sack production over his career.  7.5 sacks was damn near his best season as a pro and he got a massive contract.

Wrong, all wrong.  Teams don't sign players because of what they've done, they sign players because of what they're expected to do. 

Z. Smith is getting paid 7.25 million this year.  His pFF score is 89. 
Mack is getting paid 11.9 million this year.  His PFF score is 89.4. 

Z. Smith - 17.25, 20.75 with a fourth year option of 20.75 with a dead cap of 5 million.
K. Mack - 26.6, 26.6 with a 5th year option of 27.1, dead cap of 12 million. 

Mack also required two first round picks to acquire. 

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There has been nothing wrong with Khalil Mack this year.  His sack numbers are down but he's still been an elite difference maker that demands as much attention as any defensive player in the NFL. 

There's nothing wrong with him, you're right.  But what would happen to Z. Smith if Preston Smith was out?  The same damn thing that's happening to Mack with Hicks out.  Double/triple teams take him out of the game. 

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If they let Floyd walk it's because he's not worth the money, not because they can't keep him.  Hicks isn't a UFA until 2022.  Chicago has more salary cap space than we do, it's premature to say Mack's contract is forcing them into moves they wouldn't otherwise be making.  This last off season they paid Fuller like a top 5 CB and brought in an UFA CB to replace Callhoun.  

This is all so wrong it's not even funny.  But it is a little funny because it's a damn dirty stupid lie.  The most laughable lie I've read in a while.  It's so wrong I feel bad for pointing out how wrong it is. 

Keep in mind that the Packers are paying Aaron Rodgers 32 million next year and the Bears are paying Trubisky 9 million next year. 

The Packers 21 million in effective cap space for 2020.  Effective cap space is how much a team will have when they sign a minimum of 51 players. 
The Bears have 6.8 million in effective cap space for 2020. 

In your fantasy world 6.8 million might be more than 21 million, but only in your fantasy world because in reality 6.8 million is actually less than 21 million. 

The Packers save 8 million dollars by cutting Graham. 
The Packers save 4.5 million by cutting Lane Taylor.
The Packers could save 1 million by cutting Lowry. 

The Bears can save some money, too.  They have to.  They literally have to in order to be under the cap.  Let's see which players they can save money by cutting.

Allen Robinson - They save 13 million dollars, they lose their best receiver.
Ackiem Hicks - They save 8 million and lose their best IDL.
Kyle Long - They save 8 million and lose a starting IOL.  No big loss here since he didn't play this year. 
Amukamara - They gain 8 million, lose a starting corner

And please enough of this BS of them improving at cornerback.  Buster Skrine is rated lower than and playing worse than 38-year-old Tramon Williams and he's getting paid 6 million dollars next year.  Bryce Callahan will be getting paid 2 million more next year.  That's it.  Callahan was much better than Skrine and the only reason you think Skrine is playing better than Callahan is because Callahan was injured this year and some idiot without any informed opinion said that Skrine is playing really well. 

And let's talk about the resources the Bears have to add talent. 

They have the 14th pick in the second round and the 18th pick in the second round. 
They have three 5th round picks.
They have 2 6th round picks.
They have 1 seventh round pick. 

They have 8 draft picks.
We have 10 picks. 

Then you gotta look at the Bears impending free agents. 

Trevathan
Clinton-Dix
Kwiatkoski
Three DL players. 

So they're going to have to fill IOL, backup IDL, starting safety, starting iLB, starting ILB. 

And they currently have 6 million in effective cap space to do it.  That's not counting what they'll have to cut (Robinson) to get to be able to afford that. 

[gopackgo247]

20 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Wrong, all wrong.  Teams don't sign players because of what they've done, they sign players because of what they're expected to do. 

Z. Smith is getting paid 7.25 million this year.  His pFF score is 89. 
Mack is getting paid 11.9 million this year.  His PFF score is 89.4. 

Z. Smith - 17.25, 20.75 with a fourth year option of 20.75 with a dead cap of 5 million.
K. Mack - 26.6, 26.6 with a 5th year option of 27.1, dead cap of 12 million. 

Mack also required two first round picks to acquire. 

There's nothing wrong with him, you're right.  But what would happen to Z. Smith if Preston Smith was out?  The same damn thing that's happening to Mack with Hicks out.  Double/triple teams take him out of the game. 

This is all so wrong it's not even funny.  But it is a little funny because it's a damn dirty stupid lie.  The most laughable lie I've read in a while.  It's so wrong I feel bad for pointing out how wrong it is. 

Keep in mind that the Packers are paying Aaron Rodgers 32 million next year and the Bears are paying Trubisky 9 million next year. 

The Packers 21 million in effective cap space for 2020.  Effective cap space is how much a team will have when they sign a minimum of 51 players. 
The Bears have 6.8 million in effective cap space for 2020. 

In your fantasy world 6.8 million might be more than 21 million, but only in your fantasy world because in reality 6.8 million is actually less than 21 million. 

The Packers save 8 million dollars by cutting Graham. 
The Packers save 4.5 million by cutting Lane Taylor.
The Packers could save 1 million by cutting Lowry. 

The Bears can save some money, too.  They have to.  They literally have to in order to be under the cap.  Let's see which players they can save money by cutting.

Allen Robinson - They save 13 million dollars, they lose their best receiver.
Ackiem Hicks - They save 8 million and lose their best IDL.
Kyle Long - They save 8 million and lose a starting IOL.  No big loss here since he didn't play this year. 
Amukamara - They gain 8 million, lose a starting corner

And please enough of this BS of them improving at cornerback.  Buster Skrine is rated lower than and playing worse than 38-year-old Tramon Williams and he's getting paid 6 million dollars next year.  Bryce Callahan will be getting paid 2 million more next year.  That's it.  Callahan was much better than Skrine and the only reason you think Skrine is playing better than Callahan is because Callahan was injured this year and some idiot without any informed opinion said that Skrine is playing really well. 

And let's talk about the resources the Bears have to add talent. 

They have the 14th pick in the second round and the 18th pick in the second round. 
They have three 5th round picks.
They have 2 6th round picks.
They have 1 seventh round pick. 

They have 8 draft picks.
We have 10 picks. 

Then you gotta look at the Bears impending free agents. 

Trevathan
Clinton-Dix
Kwiatkoski
Three DL players. 

So they're going to have to fill IOL, backup IDL, starting safety, starting iLB, starting ILB. 

And they currently have 6 million in effective cap space to do it.  That's not counting what they'll have to cut (Robinson) to get to be able to afford that. 

[Leader]

22 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

They don't have more cap than us, that's wrong. They are strapped.

Also using the production we got from our #12 pick this year is horrible reasoning for saying that the picks they gave up weren't valuable. 

The Bears are cash strapped with a bad QB, that's the definition of going all in and failing. They have no money nor picks to upgrade the most important position on the team.

Aren't you Mr Accountability? Letting the Bears management off the hook for a massive commitment of picks and money they made that has yielded them 0 playoff wins through 2 seasons. I'd hold them more accountable than that.

Good synopsis. Pretty much says it all.

[SSG]

21 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Jesus, people believe this drivel.  They’re more affordable free agents because they’re worse players.  They added absolutely nobody of consequence.  Not for now, not for the future.  With what it took to acquire him and what Mack was paid, we were able to afford not one, not two, not three but four significant free agent signings plus draft a developmental EDGE and a starting safety.  To think people think Mack is worth four starters.  To think he’s worth 5 starters.  To think he’s worth five starters and a future 6th starter.  

They aren't worse though.  There was absolutely no drop off from Callahan and Amos to Shrine and HHCD. If extending Fuller and Jackson were in Chicago's plan Amos and Callahan were not.  

 

I've got no idea where you get the idea that Chicago traded away for, five or Six starters for Mack.  Draft picks aren't automatic starters which is evident by how awful our highly regarded #12 pick has been this year.  

Like I said previously, it's way to premature to say the Mack trade had a long term effect on Chicago.  His sack total is down this year in the new defense but he's still be a dominate player.  Heck, PFF has him rated higher than Zadarius right now.  

[Packerraymond]

1 minute ago, SSG said:

They aren't worse though.  There was absolutely no drop off from Callahan and Amos to Shrine and HHCD. If extending Fuller and Jackson were in Chicago's plan Amos and Callahan were not.  

 

I've got no idea where you get the idea that Chicago traded away for, five or Six starters for Mack.  Draft picks aren't automatic starters which is evident by how awful our highly regarded #12 pick has been this year.  

Like I said previously, it's way to premature to say the Mack trade had a long term effect on Chicago.  His sack total is down this year in the new defense but he's still be a dominate player.  Heck, PFF has him rated higher than Zadarius right now.  

Do you understand what opportunity cost is? No one cares about Mack's performance. It's Mack's performance vs the opportunity cost of what they gave up to add Mack. Mack doesn't play all the other positions on the field, just one.