AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, hitnhope said: 2 TD's. He was a top 10 paid TE in 2018. In 2019 he was the top paid TE and netted 3 TD's. Rodgers tried getting him TD's in 2018, but he couldn't get any separation or win contested catches. Blaming Rodgers for Grahams failure is silly. Graham's performance has dropped a lot more than Rodgers has. He had 9 redzone targets in 2018. One of the lowest rates in the league. Rodgers definitely did not prioritize getting Graham redzone targets. That entire narrative is the result of some preseason wet dream that fans had about Rodgers throwing jump balls to Graham. It isn't based in reality. Washington 15, 3rd and 10 +++ 13 yard completion San Francisco 20, 2nd and 10 +++ 4 yard completion St. Louis 1, 1st and 1 +++ incomplete Busted play action play. Marcus Peters committed PI and didn't flagged. New England 2, 2nd and 2 +++ incomplete Back shoulder fade that Graham could only get one hand up for New England 15, 2nd and 15 +++ Touchdown Detroit 4, 2nd and 4 +++ incomplete Back shoulder fade that Graham extended fully for and never even touched. Chicago 9, 2nd and 9 +++ deflected and intercepted. Awful throw and decision. Graham was covered and the throw was behind him Buffalo 3, 3rd and 3 +++ Touchdown Buffalo 18, 2nd and 8 +++ incomplete. Graham dropped it on a slant route, didn't catch it clean and lost it as he was getting hit by a LB. Of the 9 targets, he had 2 Touchdowns, 1 First down, and one short gain. 4 incompletions. 1 Interception. I'm halfway tempted to look up the incompletions to see if they were catchable or not. One drop, two really tough back shoulder fades, a missed PI penalty, and a bad decision and throw. I don't see how you can blame Graham for not catching back shoulder fades that are intentionally put in such a place that they would require a miraculous catch. Part of throwing a goal line fade is trusting your target to come down with the ball over the defender. That isn't going to happen if you throw it over the top of the pylon, two yards behind your target because you're worried about a defender potentially getting a hand on it. Edited March 17, 2020 by AlexGreen#20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hitnhope Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: He had 9 redzone targets in 2018. One of the lowest rates in the league. Rodgers definitely did not prioritize getting Graham redzone targets. That entire narrative is the result of some preseason wet dream that fans had about Rodgers throwing jump balls to Graham. It isn't based in reality. Washington 15, 3rd and 10 +++ 13 yard completion San Francisco 20, 2nd and 10 +++ 4 yard completion St. Louis 1, 1st and 1 +++ incomplete New England 2, 2nd and 2 +++ incomplete New England 15, 2nd and 15 +++ Touchdown Detroit 4, 2nd and 4 +++ incomplete Chicago 9, 2nd and 9 +++ deflected and intercepted. Buffalo 3, 3rd and 3 +++ Touchdown Buffalo 18, 2nd and 8 +++ incomplete. Of the 9 targets, he had 2 Touchdowns, 1 First down, and one short gain. 4 incompletions. 1 Interception. I'm halfway tempted to look up the incompletions to see if they were catchable or not. Top paid TE who had no legs left. But still its Rodgers fault. Whatever suits your argument though. A great example of figures lie, and liars figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, hitnhope said: Top paid TE who had no legs left. But still its Rodgers fault. Whatever suits your argument though. A great example of figures lie, and liars figure. So are you recanting your statement of "Rodgers tried to get Graham Touchdowns in 2018."? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: So are you recanting your statement of "Rodgers tried to get Graham Touchdowns in 2018."? Not at all. He didn't get open and failed when they tried. You ready to stop blaming Rodgers for Graham's failings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, hitnhope said: Not at all. He didn't get open and failed when they tried. You ready to stop blaming Rodgers for Graham's failings? So to summarize, "**** your facts. I came up with a conclusion that fits what I want to believe, and your attempts to present evidence and a counterpoint are going to be completely ignored because to consider them would force me into the uncomfortable position of examining my closely held belief system and I am too much of a child to do so." Did i get that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 So much for getting a DL this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: So much for getting a DL this year. Still some warm bodies I think? Screw it, give Clowney a bunch of money to play the 5T, play Z at 3T full time and see what weird **** you can come up with using a Gary/Clark/Z/Clowney/Preston front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Very happy to see Stefon Diggs out of the North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Still some warm bodies I think? Screw it, give Clowney a bunch of money to play the 5T, play Z at 3T full time and see what weird **** you can come up with using a Gary/Clark/Z/Clowney/Preston front. I'm down, we would be straight up unblockable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: Very happy to see Stefon Diggs out of the North. I think this move helps the Vikings. Dude was a major pain in the butt for us though. He had a touchdown in every single game he played against the Packers except for his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: I think this move helps the Vikings. Dude was a major pain in the butt for us though. He had a touchdown in every single game he played against the Packers except for his rookie year. They have to draft well, so far Hughes and Bradbury don't move the needle. Diggs moved it a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) ayyy, thats a lot of money for him jesus. Edited March 17, 2020 by Gopackgonerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: They have to draft well, so far Hughes and Bradbury don't move the needle. Diggs moved it a lot. Vikings get a 1st, 5th, and 6th round pick from the Bills in the 2020 draft for Diggs. Vikings now have more draft capital to either make hay or bust. We’ll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tperk Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 They can get one of the second tier WRs at either 22 or 25 and still have another first round pick to grab OL or CB. Pretty good score for the vikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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