mistakey Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 i mean alex smith this year had 72.7% 8.0 YPA 2 TD 0 INT against TEN. not his fault they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 11 hours ago, pnies20 said: Well he doesn't like Rosen so if he doesn't see darnold as a #1 pick get ready.. yeah i must admit i just wanted to get this thread on record when we trade down to select baker mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, mistakey said: im sorry what? Alex Smith lost in OT in the NFCCG to the eventual super bowl champs he went 1-4 under Andy Reid in the playoffs who has only won 1 game in the playoffs since 2008 (with alex smith) across 2 teams including 2 1 and dones with the eagles. im not saying its guaranteed alex smith will bring us to greatness, but hell he's got a shot and if you tell me theres a chance... sorry i got so bewildered by the alex smith talk i completely missed the Kirk Cousins is a JAG line. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a JAG. Kirk Cousins is a good quarterback. at this point, i'll take a jag cause we cant even get a jag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, mistakey said: yeah i must admit i just wanted to get this thread on record when we trade down to select baker mayfield If/When we do that, I'm going to take a break from all things Cleveland Browns for a LONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, MWil23 said: If/When we do that, I'm going to take a break from all things Cleveland Browns for a LONG time. It’s one of three options that’s being considered: 1. Cousins and trade down or Barkley at 1 2. Take darnold at 1 + Alex Smith 3. Trade down and take mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, pnies20 said: It’s one of three options that’s being considered: 1. Cousins and trade down or Barkley at 1 That would be fine. I'd prefer Darnold but I won't be upset one bit if we magically land Cousins. 1 minute ago, pnies20 said: 2. Take darnold at 1 + Alex Smith This is far and away my favorite scenario. 1 minute ago, pnies20 said: 3. Trade down and take mayfield I may throw a brick through my TV if they do this. I despise Mayfield for an infinite amount of reasons. I don't like his system, attitude, measurables, and think that he's the 3rd best QB prospect in this draft. Leave it to the Browns to ignore the obvious and think that they're smarter than 31 other teams and all of the experts again for the umpteenth time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I may throw a brick through my TV if they do this. I despise Mayfield for an infinite amount of reasons. I don't like his system, attitude, measurables, and think that he's the 3rd best QB prospect in this draft. Leave it to the Browns to ignore the obvious and think that they're smarter than 31 other teams and all of the experts again for the umpteenth time. Just wanted to point out that the vast majority of non-ESPN draft folks are fine with Mayfield. Most of the "analytics" crowd likes him as #2 or 3. And a lot of the tape heavy guys I follow on twitter love the dude. Remember that most of the "talk" we hear this time of year is misdirection. Cam Newton can't possibly go top ten, he has attitude issues, it'll be Jimmy Clausen! I can't think of another of the top of my head and need to run, but we should all be used to this by now. Just because someone's ranked a certain place on ESPN boards and "annonymous scouts" are hitting them hard this time of year, doesn't mean that that is the ACTUAL league perception on a guy. As Dane Brugler put it this morning in response to a tweet that said "annonymous AFC GM says Brown should take Allen #1"... OF COURSE I want the Browns to take Allen #1 if I'm ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE DRAFT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, freakygeniuskid said: Just wanted to point out that the vast majority of non-ESPN draft folks are fine with Mayfield. Most of the "analytics" crowd likes him as #2 or 3. And a lot of the tape heavy guys I follow on twitter love the dude. Remember that most of the "talk" we hear this time of year is misdirection. Cam Newton can't possibly go top ten, he has attitude issues, it'll be Jimmy Clausen! I can't think of another of the top of my head and need to run, but we should all be used to this by now. Just because someone's ranked a certain place on ESPN boards and "annonymous scouts" are hitting them hard this time of year, doesn't mean that that is the ACTUAL league perception on a guy. As Dane Brugler put it this morning in response to a tweet that said "annonymous AFC GM says Brown should take Allen #1"... OF COURSE I want the Browns to take Allen #1 if I'm ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE DRAFT! That’s fine Freaky I get what you’re saying. I despise Mayfield and honestly don’t see it. The fact that you yourself admit most experts don’t have him #1 and that he is 2 or 3 tells me we shouldn’t draft him. Give me the consensus #1 QB prospect just one freaking time. That’s all I want. Analytics shouldn’t factor into the QB position when you ha e the first pick, and this is coming from a very pro analytics person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: I despise Mayfield Any reason? Just in the NFL QB sense or because of his antics? 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: that he is 2 or 3 tells me we shouldn’t draft him Wentz was pretty much a consensus #2 and Watson was a consensus #3 or 4. Now of course everyone asks why didn't we draft those guys. I agree we should draft the QB we covet most at #1 but if that is Mayfield or Allen people have to be happy that we did it the right way even if they hate the pick itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 The problem with this draft class is that there are two consensus top QB's bu they both have reasonable issues. Wouldn't it be swell if we had a Andrew luck or someone else in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Any reason? Just in the NFL QB sense or because of his antics? Sure. I don’t like his antics, his college offensive system, his subpar stature, and that he has a poor pocket presence, especially under duress. See Iowa State and Georgia. Statistics show he did well but he missed a lot of open shorter and intermediate crossing routes because he struggled to keep his eyes downfield. 32 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Wentz was pretty much a consensus #2 and Watson was a consensus #3 or 4. Now of course everyone asks why didn't we draft those guys. Everyone on this board knows and knew how I felt about Watson. He was my #1 QB all the way. I have the online bruises from the old site to show for it. 32 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: I agree we should draft the QB we covet most at #1 but if that is Mayfield or Allen people have to be happy that we did it the right way even if they hate the pick itself. It’s not either of those 2. That’s my point. I don’t have to be happy about it if they’re wrong and I’ll be angry unless by some stroke of luck they know something I don’t for the first time in over 20 years. If that ever happens I’ll gladly bet everyone’s forgiveness and admit I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Burn down Berea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: I agree we should draft the QB we covet most at #1 but if that is Mayfield or Allen people have to be happy that we did it the right way even if they hate the pick itself. No we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, bruceb said: No we don't. Well most everyone says take the best QB at #1, the alternative to that is not taking the best QB in their opinion at #1 which most disagree with. If they like Allen and you like Darnold, yeah, you can hate the pick but not the process. There is no way to make everyone happy. Some want Rosen, some want Allen, some want Darnold, some want Mayfield and some probably event want Jackson. If they just want to appease the fans (is that what we want them to do, really?) then take Darnold and 80+% will be okay or happy. However, if they truly believe Mayfield is the best prospect they have to go with who they think is best not just play it safe and try to appease the media/fans/whoever. Obviously if the choose wrong it will be their jobs, that's just the way it works so they better go with who they like and if it doesn't work they fall on their sword, it would suck but it is better than having to fall on a sword you didn't even really want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke2056 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 hours ago, MWil23 said: If/When we do that, I'm going to take a break from all things Cleveland Browns for a LONG time. If we trade down for Mayfield, I will be pissed. He doesn't look like an NFL Qb to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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