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24 minutes ago, JDBrocks said:

Very cute. Can’t be in on a player unless you sign him?

Minnesota sports fans LOVE hating on their teams ūüėā

 

It's no longer "hating on them" when the same story has been played for a decade or more.  I lost interest in baseball after the '94 strike, so don't really follow it all that closely, but I hear the same story every year.  I do know it's easy to be cynical when that's what continuously happens.  If you didn't care at all, you wouldn't spend the time to even be cynical.  I've gone beyond that point, moreso because of the sport itself than anything the Twins have done, but I'll still listen to things about them from time to time. 

I tend to buy somewhat the argument that the Twins are used as leverage in negotiations, based on what Cear says about the system.  The Giants can pay whatever they want, so they just find out what the Twins are willing to pay and write the check for an amount above that which makes it appear that it's not anticompetitive behavior...when in reality, it is. 

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1 hour ago, JDBrocks said:

Very cute. Can’t be in on a player unless you sign him?

Minnesota sports fans LOVE hating on their teams ūüėā

 

Well I guess they were "in on Rodon" in the same sense that I was "in on the Alyssa Milano" when I sent her a letter asking her to marry me in 5th grade.  

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The twins are never going to be the team that out bids everyone for the to free agents.  They have to develop some premier talent and keep those players and build around them.  It seems like a lot of the top prospects haven't panned or have been injured slowing their development 

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24 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said:

The twins are never going to be the team that out bids everyone for the to free agents.  They have to develop some premier talent and keep those players and build around them.  It seems like a lot of the top prospects haven't panned or have been injured slowing their development 

Then they had better fire their entire system and hire the Rays'...

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37 minutes ago, wcblack34 said:

Well I guess they were "in on Rodon" in the same sense that I was "in on the Alyssa Milano" when I sent her a letter asking her to marry me in 5th grade.  

You had dinner with Alyssa Milano and her agent when you were in the 5th grade?

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2 hours ago, swede700 said:

It's no longer "hating on them" when the same story has been played for a decade or more.  I lost interest in baseball after the '94 strike, so don't really follow it all that closely, but I hear the same story every year.  I do know it's easy to be cynical when that's what continuously happens.  If you didn't care at all, you wouldn't spend the time to even be cynical.  I've gone beyond that point, moreso because of the sport itself than anything the Twins have done, but I'll still listen to things about them from time to time. 

I tend to buy somewhat the argument that the Twins are used as leverage in negotiations, based on what Cear says about the system.  The Giants can pay whatever they want, so they just find out what the Twins are willing to pay and write the check for an amount above that which makes it appear that it's not anticompetitive behavior...when in reality, it is. 

It's not even the same people in charge. Idk how you are speaking so authoritatively about a subject and sport that you claim to not follow or pay much attention to.

I also agree that the Twins (just like every organization) are used as leverage. That's what an agent's job is - use all available leverage to get the most money/best deal for your client. You have to offer the best deal to land the best players, but it also has to be somewhere that the player wants to be.

The way things stand now, the Twins are just as close to winning this terrible division as they were last year - none of these teams look like they will run away with it. I'm disappointed that the Twins haven't hit the mark in free agency, but the "same old Twins" talk is shallow analysis bordering on lazy.

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20 minutes ago, JDBrocks said:

You had dinner with Alyssa Milano and her agent when you were in the 5th grade?

TJ Houshmanzadeh got a private jet ride and a steak dinner...doesn't mean he ever seriously took the Vikings' offer (we'll never truly know the answer).  Anyone worth any salt, even if they really have no intention to take an offer from a team will certainly take a free dinner if offered.  Hell, I took a flight to a job interview in Appleton, WI (would have probably been the only Vikings fan in a sea of green and gold) once knowing that I probably would never take the job if offered, but they wined and dined me.  (I was offered the job and did turn it down).

I'm only speaking as an authority on the perception that has been created.  I've never claimed to be an expert on the negotiation process or the inner workings specifically, but I have read a lot of other people's opinions who know a hell of a lot more about it than I do, and that has formed the opinion I express. 

I may have had a tendency to lean that way based on my personal experiences with the entire system when I stopped following it 30 years ago, but based on everything I've read, little has changed significantly.  The same problems that existed 30 years ago continue to exist, it's just that the money involved is significantly larger.  Some of it has been papered over, but they're still there.  The big-market teams still act anti-competitively and the small market teams have to be virtually perfect to compete for anything longer than a 3-yr span before having to basically start over again.        

 

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Glad all of the peripherally interested baseball fans are weighing in on how serious the negotiations with free agents were.

It's truly wild that Twins fans are so cynical that EVERYONE else is serious and doing their jobs and doing the right things, but somehow the Twins are just perpetually useful idiots.

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54 minutes ago, JDBrocks said:

Glad all of the peripherally interested baseball fans are weighing in on how serious the negotiations with free agents were.

It's truly wild that Twins fans are so cynical that EVERYONE else is serious and doing their jobs and doing the right things, but somehow the Twins are just perpetually useful idiots.

They offered less than Turner got. 65 million less than he signed for. That's not close. And, I spend way more time on Twins boards than here ...

The Twins don't sign elite players. That's fine. I get it. But if that's your decision, you need to be more aggressive with the next tier of free agents, if you want them. 

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