dll2000 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Landry in slot and Ridley outside makes Bears kind of legit on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, G08 said: For a guy that gets 160 targets in a season, he's only asked to go over 15 yards 6 times and over 10 yards 23 times. He timed at 4.77 and has a 28" vert (very poor explosion numbers). I'd say that's evidence enough for me. Evidence would be what he has produced. We can throw around combine numbers, but on the field he has had a lot of success and consistently produced in less than ideal circumstances. Again you can pound him on his 2017 stats all day. That was more of a product of Gase and Cutler than anything. The year previous he was used vertically a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, G08 said: To me, in this offense, Andre Wilson and John Brown > Jarvis Landry. John Brown can barely play. He has not done anything in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, chisoxguy7 said: Is there evidence that he can't do that? That he hasn't done it yet doesn't necessarily mean that he can't. Hes been the #1 option in Miami for 5 years. He is what he is. It has nothing to do with the offense, hes done it in 2 different systems. He is what he is. People used to call Marshall a compiler bc of his most targets in the league and his 13 ypc. Landry isnt Marshall but he is everybit the headache Marshall is. Landry is what he is. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. You dont win championships by paying guys for what they have done. You win by paying for what they will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: Hes been the #1 option in Miami for 5 years. He is what he is. It has nothing to do with the offense, hes done it in 2 different systems. He is what he is. People used to call Marshall a compiler bc of his most targets in the league and his 13 ypc. Landry isnt Marshall but he is everybit the headache Marshall is. Landry is what he is. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. You dont win championships by paying guys for what they have done. You win by paying for what they will do What will he do, in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 If the Bears throw a bunch of injured and inconsistent guys at the WR position we know what will happen. We have seen it for years now. Injured and inconsistent guys end up hurt or not producing. They may have ideal skill sets and everything you look for physically, but you cannot produce yards and TDs from the sideline. Eddie Royal Kevin White Markus Wheaton All significant investments in injured and inconsistent players that have produced nothing for the Bears on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: Hes been the #1 option in Miami for 5 years. He is what he is. It has nothing to do with the offense, hes done it in 2 different systems. He is what he is. People used to call Marshall a compiler bc of his most targets in the league and his 13 ypc. Landry isnt Marshall but he is everybit the headache Marshall is. Landry is what he is. Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. You dont win championships by paying guys for what they have done. You win by paying for what they will do He is 25 years old, why wouldn't he keep producing how he is producing? He is no where near the mental case that Marshall is. Marshall has been arrested 14 times or something ridiculous and publicly fought with multiple coaching staffs and multiple teams. Landry had a DV case thrown out and got kicked out of a game this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, WindyCity said: If the Bears throw a bunch of injured and inconsistent guys at the WR position we know what will happen. We have seen it for years now. Injured and inconsistent guys end up hurt or not producing. They may have ideal skill sets and everything you look for physically, but you cannot produce yards and TDs from the sideline. Eddie Royal Kevin White Markus Wheaton All significant investments in injured and inconsistent players that have produced nothing for the Bears on the field. If Dez Bryant gets released and you can get him for less than 11MM per season, for 2-3 years, do you do it? Edit: assume he will be your #2 option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 I think Dez might be physically done. He is a jump ball WR who seems to have lost his burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Landry is not a perfect signing by any stretch of the imagination. But he is the best possible player at a position of extreme need who happens to have the 2 traits the Bears are lacking at WR which is durability and consistency. This could go sideways, but you are wasting money. The Bears just got done flushing 45 million in one offseason, you can easily recover from money mistakes. The Bears tried to trade for Landry last season twice from what I have been told. After the Meredith injury and it was pretty well reported that they called at the trade deadline. I am not sure there interest would lessen now that there is no draft pick cost and they still have a desperate need at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, WindyCity said: 1 minute ago, WindyCity said: Landry is not a perfect signing by any stretch of the imagination. But he is the best possible player at a position of extreme need who happens to have the 2 traits the Bears are lacking at WR which is durability and consistency. This could go sideways, but you are wasting money. The Bears just got done flushing 45 million in one offseason, you can easily recover from money mistakes. The Bears tried to trade for Landry last season twice from what I have been told. After the Meredith injury and it was pretty well reported that they called at the trade deadline. I am not sure there interest would lessen now that there is no draft pick cost and they still have a desperate need at the position. Even if the team is bad, the fans that do show up to games still buy beer. There is money available to take chances on guys, and (our) contracts are always worded so that the misses don't cripple you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, WindyCity said: The Bears tried to trade for Landry last season twice from what I have been told What did the Bears offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Ridley O O C O O Shaheen/Sims Landry Mitch Wright/Inman/Meredith Howard/Cohen Bears pretty much never even even trotted out this personnel in 2017. It is most common formation in NFL. Kinda sad really. That's not super bowl, but a legit competitive offense. Not saying Bears should draft Ridley, but this makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Pretty damning read on Jarvis Landry: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/jarvis-landrys-value-part-i http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/jarvis-landrys-value-part-ii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: He is 25 years old, why wouldn't he keep producing how he is producing? He is no where near the mental case that Marshall is. Marshall has been arrested 14 times or something ridiculous and publicly fought with multiple coaching staffs and multiple teams. Landry had a DV case thrown out and got kicked out of a game this season. I dont know of any arrests for BMarsh. Im sure Landry is going to keep doing what he has been doing which is why im not willing to pay him #1 money. I dont know what role he fills on this team that cant be filled by someone who costs far less. For $10M i might consider it but not at $13M. No way. No how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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