Kip Smithers Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, lancerman said: I think the thing that's just funny to me is that people bring up the 07Giants/11Giants/15Broncos as the formula to beat the Patriots. One of those was completely different (11 Giants) and in reality there are so many other teams that have more decisively showed how to beat the Patriots as opposed to teams that really just kept them in close games and had the fortune to have a few breaks go their way. The Chiefs in 14 and 17 both obliterated the Patriots in the games they played. Nobody is saying copy that. The Dolphins beat them in 14, 15, and 17 both had rock solid games against the Patriots. Nobody is saying copy that. Wait because we aren’t using the games in which you were “obliterated” we should dismiss the instances that they loss and weren’t beaten in such a fashion? Those games are all regular season games. It’s hard to do that in a SB. There are two weeks to prepare and using games under similar conditions as comparisons is not ideal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 The Pats and Giants played a 38-35 game 5 weeks earlier. They were not a perfect match for the Patriots. Both Giants team were pretty good 10-6 or 9-7 teams that rode incredible luck and got very hot at the right time. Tyree, Asante, Kyle Williams x2, Favre throwing to the only receiver who was not open. They did have a great and deep pass rush. 52 sacks(1st) in 2007 and 48 sacks (t-3rd) in 2011 Tuck had 4 sacks in those 2 Super Bowls. Strahan got a sack in the 18-1 game to cap off his HoF career. They did play really well when it counted in the playoffs, and they limited their own turnovers. Eli may be the most inconsistent QB in NFL History (25% of regular season games were more INTs than TDs) He only had 2 picks in the 8 games from those two playoff runs. Eli scored 17 and 21 in those 2 games. Foles will lose next week if he can't do better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, Kip Smithers said: Wait because we aren’t using the games in which you were “obliterated” we should dismiss the instances that they loss and weren’t beaten in such a fashion? Those games are all regular season games. It’s hard to do that in a SB. There are two weeks to prepare and using games under similar conditions as comparisons is not ideal Well let me ask you this if someone asked you for the formula to beat any given sports team would you rather give an analysis on the teams that gave said team a lot of trouble and had dominating performances with a very decisive victory or would you rather I made my analysis off teams that played very good games but were on the verge of possibly losing albeit a play or two that went their way? If your point is model it after the 07 Giants, my counter would be: "what's the model, hope for the helmet catch to happen". Because at the end of the day everything their defense did was for nothing if that sequence of events doesn't happen. They lose that game without that. Likewise in 11 I would say, if Welker pulls down a ball he catches 9 out of 10 times, they lose that one as well. So what's the lesson there? Hope a receiver drops an easy game icing pass? My point is there are FAR better models to say "hey these teams have had incredible success against the Patriots". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Also to reiterate I'm not saying the Giants didn't play really well executed game. They did. My point is that those two games could essentially be defined as "the Giants played really well executed games where they were able to keep the score low and close for most of the game and when you do that anything can happen at the end, and it did". Whereas if you asked me to describe the Chiefs games I'd define them as "the Chiefs bullied the Patriots in the trenches on both sides of the ball, established a running game that the Patriots couldn't tighten up enough to stop without making significant concessions in the passing game and on defense they forced Brady into far more high risk throws by clogging up the middle and generating pressure in some important moments and coasted to a win". I think the latter is a much better model than the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 I'm curious to see how many RB Pass Attempts occur in this game and how successful they are? I'm not exaggerating when I suggest we might see upwards of 20 -25 between Lewis, White and Burkhead. Hope to God we have an answer for what's about to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: I'm curious to see how many RB Pass Attempts occur in this game and how successful they are? I'm not exaggerating when I suggest we might see upwards of 20 -25 between Lewis, White and Burkhead. Hope to God we have an answer for what's about to come? If the Pats are unable to run the ball effectively, then yeah, 20 targets between the three seems within the realm of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Starless said: If the Pats are unable to run the ball effectively, then yeah, 20 targets between the three seems within the realm of possibility. And/or if the Patriots catch PHI in heavy personnel and run no-huddle to neutralize the strength of PHI's DL rotation while matching up skill players vs LBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I know the pats have been great with second half comebacks but let's not forget the Eagles this year have also been a great second half team. Doug has done great with half time adjustments. heck we shut out both teams in the second half so far this postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 5 hours ago, lancerman said: The Eagles have a very good defense. I'm not disputing that. But the Jags were a more talented defense at every level. Maybe you could say the Eagles have more depth on the line, but that's about it. I'd take the Jags top talent on the line, their LB's and CB's over the Eagles. Ehh..... Eagles d-line is definitely comparable to the Jags. Eagles OLBs Bradham and Kendricks are pretty much on par with Smith and Jack. Eagles slot corner >>>> Jaguars Jaguars outside corners >>>> Eagles Think Jags have the edge at safety cause of McLeod not playing as well this year. So, yeah the Jags have the better defense with the outside corners they have and Hicks being out. But, you are underrating our defense. The only significant advantage the Jags defense has is outside corners. Our defense has more veterans than the Jags too. I would trust them (besides McLeod) more to make the play in a big playoff game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 26/01/2018 at 2:16 AM, biggbrd said: Raps in 4 tbh Rgm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 12 hours ago, DR43 said: Why should I or anyone for that matter think the Eagles will win this game? Because they have a better team that us and it's a bad matchup for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: I'm curious to see how many RB Pass Attempts occur in this game and how successful they are? I'm not exaggerating when I suggest we might see upwards of 20 -25 between Lewis, White and Burkhead. Hope to God we have an answer for what's about to come? Thought you meant RBs throwing the ball then. Now that would be left-field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles23 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: I'm curious to see how many RB Pass Attempts occur in this game and how successful they are? I'm not exaggerating when I suggest we might see upwards of 20 -25 between Lewis, White and Burkhead. Hope to God we have an answer for what's about to come? Hoping Kendricks flies to the flat and destroys one of their RBs early a la Sheldon Brown vs Reggie Bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 9 hours ago, lancerman said: Well let me ask you this if someone asked you for the formula to beat any given sports team would you rather give an analysis on the teams that gave said team a lot of trouble and had dominating performances with a very decisive victory or would you rather I made my analysis off teams that played very good games but were on the verge of possibly losing albeit a play or two that went their way? If your point is model it after the 07 Giants, my counter would be: "what's the model, hope for the helmet catch to happen". Because at the end of the day everything their defense did was for nothing if that sequence of events doesn't happen. They lose that game without that. Likewise in 11 I would say, if Welker pulls down a ball he catches 9 out of 10 times, they lose that one as well. So what's the lesson there? Hope a receiver drops an easy game icing pass? My point is there are FAR better models to say "hey these teams have had incredible success against the Patriots". The Jags dominated the Steelers in the regular season and the playoff game ended up a lot closer. I’d take the playoff games in those scenario. I’m not relying upon a regular season game where pretty much anything can happen. The Chiefs dominated you correct in 2014 and in the opener, but it’s the Chiefs. That isn’t them. That’s a one off. Patriots rarely get dominated for the entirety of game, so why on earth would I use the anomaly? As opposed to something that falls in line with what the Pats consistently are? The opposing offense’s role in this is an separate issue. If Brady is shut down and the opposing offense doesn’t capitalise, it doesn’t make it a bad plan or bad blueprint. In 07 that was one of the greatest offenses ever and they got held to 14 points. I don’t care what team is on the other side you have a great shot to win that game if that happens. We had luck in that game and so did you. In 2011, we dominate the first half, on the verge of scoring and a bogus holding penalty derails the drive. And that Welker play only had a chance of happening because we weren’t even ready and our defense wasn’t set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 4 hours ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Eagles OLBs Bradham and Kendricks are pretty much on par with Smith and Jack. no rest of the post is good however this no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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