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6 minutes ago, NoDakViking said:

I agree it's an awful look for the league.  I was wondering earlier if there's a component coming from all that testosterone combined with the concussion/repetitive subconcussive hits.

Domestic violence is an issue nationwide, but for a league that employs between 2,000 and 3,000 players throughout the year, the number of players who get in trouble for DV isn’t any higher than the general population. So I doubt that there’s really any correlation between what goes on as football players, and how they act at home. 

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Just now, SemperFeist said:

Domestic violence is an issue nationwide, but for a league that employs between 2,000 and 3,000 players throughout the year, the number of players who get in trouble for DV isn’t any higher than the general population. So I doubt that there’s really any correlation between what goes on as football players, and how they act at home. 

Not sure I agree with that.  I agree it is an issue nationwide but why does the NBA not have as many issues as the NFL seems to have with it?

 

In football one can at times solve problems with violence and intimidation, clearly that sometimes carries over to relationships more often than not.  Not to mention the environment some of the players might grow up in, where that type of behavior might be considered normal and or expected.  

 

Does any other major pro sport have one of their super star players strangle their pregnant girlfriend before they came to the league?  Pretty sure football might be the only one there to have that.  Not to mention Ray Rice who is one of the rare ones and never played in the NFL again after it, but then Kareem Hunt who is obviously still in the league and few if anyone talks about what Hunt did in that video anymore.  

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Linebacker Nick Vigil agreed to a one-year contract with the Vikings early in free agency last month, but he wasn’t able to discuss his new gig because it did not become official until this week.

Vigil joins a linebacking corps that has Anthony Barr and Eric Kendricks returning for injury and an opening in the starting lineup alongside them. Vigil started 37 games in his final three seasons with the Bengals, but only played 30 percent of the defensive snaps with the Chargers a year ago.

Vigil: “It is hard once you go from a starting role to being more of a backup, but I got a lot of playing time last year, played a lot of different spots for the Chargers and had a good, productive year when I got my chances. We’ve got a new, fresh start here, and we’ll see what happens.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/07/nick-vigil-hoping-fresh-start-with-vikings-leads-to-bigger-role-on-defense/

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13 hours ago, RpMc said:

Another of the Michael Pierce offseason videos that just have him looking like a problem for offensive lines next year.

I'm so pumped to have a pair of such a powerful pair of D tackles in Pierce and Tomlinson. Watch out for an Eric Kendricks DPOY season

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Here are the Vikings players that got over $150k in performance based pay for playing plenty snaps last year compared to their salary:

Last, Name, Pos, Playtime %, Adjusted Compensation, Performance Based Pay 

Dozier, Dakota G 98.10% 1,146,110 561,951
O'Neill, Brian T 96.90% 1,377,317 461,925
Odenigbo, Ifeadi DE 61.90% 1,118,610 362,983
Johnson, Jaleel DT 63.20% 1,225,700 338,580
Conklin, Tyler TE 54.20% 1,126,368 315,733
Holmes, Jalyn DE 58.40% 1,238,959 309,643
Wonnum, D.J. DE 51.50% 1,240,665 272,653
Dantzler, Cameron CB 52.00% 1,276,720 267,146
Cleveland, Ezra G 57.90% 1,449,736 261,920
Gladney, Jeff CB 90.00% 2,441,339 242,020
Watts, Armon NT 39.90% 1,098,149 238,678
Boyd, Kris CB 39.20% 1,083,294 237,815
Bradbury, Garrett C 92.40% 2,934,035 206,724
Smith, Irv TE 48.60% 1,615,372 197,619
Wilson, Eric OLB 97.00% 3,265,110 195,025
Beebe, Chad WR 30.50% 1,056,110 189,316
Johnson, Olabisi WR 30.50% 1,074,754 186,553
Ham, C.J. FB 52.90% 1,900,000 182,753
Nickerson, Hardy ILB 28.30% 1,050,000 177,083
Jefferson, Justin WR 75.60% 2,829,475 175,370
Jones, Chris CB 27.30% 1,056,580 169,619
Mata'afa, Hercules DT 26.10% 1,057,444 162,066
Dye, Troy ILB 29.40% 1,222,613 157,578
Hand, Harrison CB 26.20% 1,127,666 152,470
Abdullah, Ameer RB 27.50% 1,193,610 151,085
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16 hours ago, viking said:

I'm so pumped to have a pair of such a powerful pair of D tackles in Pierce and Tomlinson. Watch out for an Eric Kendricks DPOY season

If they get Hunter back and draft Kwity Paye,  that'll be some serious beef up front

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4 hours ago, SemperFeist said:

They can do better than Paye

I've seen Paye mocked to the Vikings more than anyone. He's also typically the 1st DE off the board. So that's only according to you.

Have you seen his burst and bend on the 3-cone? (1:15)

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, babababa said:

Have you seen his burst and bend on the 3-cone?

Have you actually seen him play? 

Workout numbers mean nothing when they don’t transfer to the field. Show me the burst during the game (he’s routinely the last one on the line to react to the ball being snapped). Show me the bend when the pads are on. 

Paye is a good run defender, and knows how to use his hands. But it’s not worth spending a 1st round pick on with other edge rushers like Turner, Basham, Odeyingbo, Perkins, etc. that have similar traits/tape and can be gotten later in the draft. 

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2 hours ago, SemperFeist said:

Have you actually seen him play? 

Workout numbers mean nothing when they don’t transfer to the field. Show me the burst during the game (he’s routinely the last one on the line to react to the ball being snapped). Show me the bend when the pads are on. 

Paye is a good run defender, and knows how to use his hands. But it’s not worth spending a 1st round pick on with other edge rushers like Turner, Basham, Odeyingbo, Perkins, etc. that have similar traits/tape and can be gotten later in the draft. 

Again, you're in the minority with your opinion. So when you say "They can do better than Paye." it's lacking any objective weight when taking into account what so many analysts have generally said and come to some consensus to. Feel free to have your opinion though. McShay and NFL.com's Peter Schrager have him mocked to the Vikings currenty (see links). The bend is evident on the field -- just youtube his highlights. According to McShay he had the 2nd highest pressure rate in the FBS. I don't know what to tell you if you try to argue against that. Here's my backup:

https://thevikingage.com/2021/02/25/kwity-paye-mocked-minnesota-vikings-most/

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/08/vikings-select-michigan-de-kwity-paye-in-todd-mcshays-mock-draft/

https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-pats-trade-up-for-justin-fields-cardinals

https://vikingsterritory.com/2021/general-news/for-vikings-its-a-kwity-monday

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/vikings-select-de-kwity-paye-in-pff-fan-mock-simulator/ar-BB1ftCju

 

 

  

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So I'm wondering who the ideal Patterson project is in this class.  Round 3 or 4 player with traits that can turn into a high end player?  I like Janarius Robinson as FSU coaching has been in the dumps for a couple years and also Dayo Odeyingbo as he likely drops from his Achilles injury.

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1 hour ago, NoDakViking said:

So I'm wondering who the ideal Patterson project is in this class.  Round 3 or 4 player with traits that can turn into a high end player?  I like Janarius Robinson as FSU coaching has been in the dumps for a couple years and also Dayo Odeyingbo as he likely drops from his Achilles injury.

 

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46 minutes ago, RpMc said:

I really like Ade Ogundeji as well, but his athletic profile may not match.

I wouldn’t say it doesn’t match. His athletic numbers aren’t that much different than Wonnum’s. 

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