Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 PFF has ranked Alex Smith #1 on the highest passer rating on the deep passes take it for what it's worth . This was his only year throwing downfield that successful tho if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The difference with the Portis trade was we got one of the leagues best players in return for a guy that flat out refused to sign with us. This trade is completely unnecessary. We didn't have to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Alex smith vs Kirk cousins per PFF ( pro football focus ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, lavar703 said: The difference with the Portis trade was we got one of the leagues best players in return for a guy that flat out refused to sign with us. This trade is completely unnecessary. We didn't have to do this. Portis was good for us I really miss him . My favorite redskins runningback of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 What about Football Outsiders? What do they think of the two quarterbacks? 2017 DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement, higher is better) Alex Smith = 1022 (9th) Kirk Cousins = 402 (16th) DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average, positive is better) Alex Smith = 18.20% (10th) Kirk Cousins = -0.40% (18th) Total QBR (ESPN's stat, out of 100, higher is better) Alex Smith = 61.7 (10th) Kirk Cousins = 52.0 (19th) Quick answer: "Well, Woz, looks like Alex Smith is a better QB!" Slightly more observant answer: "Woz, why did you create a top level bullet of just one year?" I'm so glad you asked! 2016 DYAR Alex Smith = 688 (12th) Kirk Cousins = 1317 (3rd) DVOA Alex Smith = 9.40% (11th) Kirk Cousins = 20.90% (5th) Total QBR Alex Smith = 66.1 (11th) Kirk Cousins = 71.7 (6th) 2015 DYAR Alex Smith = 468 (15th) Kirk Cousins = 1023 (7th) DVOA Alex Smith = 3.00% (15th) Kirk Cousins = 16.9% (6th) Total QBR Alex Smith = 66.5 (8th) Kirk Cousins = 70.1 (6th) "Woz, are you trying to say that you shouldn't evaluate a QB by a single year and/or evaluate at least a three year sample set?" *taps side of nose* ------- What is DYAR vs. DVOA? Long answer, but the short summary is (from: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb ) Quote The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play. The longer answers can be found at http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods#dyar and http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods#dvoa Info on Total QBR can be found at http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr and http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating Differences between Total QBR and DVOA, per Football Outsiders: Quote Total QBR incorporates information from game charting, such as passes dropped or thrown away on purpose. Total QBR splits responsibility on plays between the quarterback, his receivers, and his blockers. Drops, for example, are more on the receiver, as are yards after the catch, and some sacks are more on the offensive line than others. Total QBR has a clutch factor which adds (or subtracts) value for quarterbacks who perform best (or worst) in high-leverage situations. Total QBR combines passing and rushing value into one number and differentiates between scrambles and planned runs. Beginning in 2016, Total QBR is now adjusted for strength of opponent. Total QBR on other stats pages (pre-2016) has not yet been updated with oppponent adjustment. (Note: We plan on updating all QB Stats pages with adjusted QBR and a qualifying minimum of 200 passes sometime in the 2018 offseason.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 If you're trying to argue that Alex Smith is a better QB than Kirk Cousins, you need to never watch football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Slateman said: If you're trying to argue that Alex Smith is a better QB than Kirk Cousins, you need to never watch football again. Not many on this forum are making that argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Slateman said: If you're trying to argue that Alex Smith is a better QB than Kirk Cousins, you need to never watch football again. Ook so it's ok to throw espn stats but not okay to throw PFF stats. gotcha . And I think there about the same even some anaylysts think there both similar . idc about stats but I did post it since maybe it'd interest you guys . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, lavar703 said: Not many on this forum are making that argument... I think they both have some benefits . Kirk when on fire is on fire and plays elite . Smith does a good job moving out of the pocket . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Woz said: What about Football Outsiders? What do they think of the two quarterbacks? 2017 DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement, higher is better) Alex Smith = 1022 (9th) Kirk Cousins = 402 (16th) DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average, positive is better) Alex Smith = 18.20% (10th) Kirk Cousins = -0.40% (18th) Total QBR (ESPN's stat, out of 100, higher is better) Alex Smith = 61.7 (10th) Kirk Cousins = 52.0 (19th) Quick answer: "Well, Woz, looks like Alex Smith is a better QB!" Slightly more observant answer: "Woz, why did you create a top level bullet of just one year?" I'm so glad you asked! 2016 DYAR Alex Smith = 688 (12th) Kirk Cousins = 1317 (3rd) DVOA Alex Smith = 9.40% (11th) Kirk Cousins = 20.90% (5th) Total QBR Alex Smith = 66.1 (11th) Kirk Cousins = 71.7 (6th) 2015 DYAR Alex Smith = 468 (15th) Kirk Cousins = 1023 (7th) DVOA Alex Smith = 3.00% (15th) Kirk Cousins = 16.9% (6th) Total QBR Alex Smith = 66.5 (8th) Kirk Cousins = 70.1 (6th) "Woz, are you trying to say that you shouldn't evaluate a QB by a single year and/or evaluate at least a three year sample set?" *taps side of nose* ------- What is DYAR vs. DVOA? Long answer, but the short summary is (from: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb ) The longer answers can be found at http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods#dyar and http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods#dvoa Info on Total QBR can be found at http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr and http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating Differences between Total QBR and DVOA, per Football Outsiders: I think Kirk was better than smith in 2015-2016 no doubt . thats not even an comparison that's facts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Dashing202 said: I think they both have some benefits . Kirk when on fire is on fire and plays elite . Smith does a good job moving out of the pocket . Smith has had an extremely mediocre career. He's Sam Bradford without the injuries. Teams keep trading for him for whatever reason but we'll be the ones who'll get the last laugh....that always happens....right Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dashing202 said: Ook so it's ok to throw espn stats but not okay to throw PFF stats. gotcha . And I think there about the same even some anaylysts think there both similar . idc about stats but I did post it since maybe it'd interest you guys . You're making one year comparisons. For 2017. The SAME year where Smith had the following: An OL A running game with perhaps one of the most electric young RBs in the game One of the fastest and best downhill running WRs in the game One of the Top 3 TE's in the game. The same year where Kirk had: Moses as the only OL who played the entire season (and did so on two bad ankles) Top TE didn't play. Backup TE was barely serviceable ( I know, I had him on my fantasy team hoping he'd erupt) No running game. And his 3rd down back on IR His allegedly #1 WR...wasn't even close to being a #1 And his slot receiver flat out sucked. Yeah sure. While you're at it, why don't you compare a foot race between yourself and me. Except I'll be carried half the way and you'll have 10 pound cement shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dashing202 said: I think Kirk was better than smith in 2015-2016 no doubt . thats not even an comparison that's facts . He was better than Smith when you account for surrounding cast. *Hint* Smith had a great one. Kirk had nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 With the reports that the Broncos were offering a second and Talib for Smith and the Browns were offering multiple picks with one being a second round pick it shows just how badly the redskins botched the Cousins situation. 5 years younger and better numbers, you mean to tell me we couldn't have got the Broncos second or the Browns second or their second and third? That's at least something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, lavar703 said: Smith has had an extremely mediocre career. He's Sam Bradford without the injuries. Teams keep trading for him for whatever reason but we'll be the ones who'll get the last laugh....that always happens....right Bruce? Haha jesus you hate Bruce he is a crappy Gm . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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