BREAKING:REDSKINS TRADE FOR ALEX SMITH

[Thaiphoon]

2 hours ago, lavar703 said:

And that's why we didn't receive compensation for Baker, Jackson or Garcon. The same thing that's going to happen with Kirk and Breeland.

Yup. It's what I said earlier. You only get comp picks if you lose more than you gain

[turtle28]

7 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

Yup. It's what I said earlier. You only get comp picks if you lose more than you gain

Wait, have they already awarded the compensatory picks for the 2018 draft?

I didn’t think that was done until closer to the draft.

I’m not sure or not if we know we won’t receive a comp pick in the 2018 draft for losing Baker, Djax & Garçon.

[MKnight82]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

Wait, have they already awarded the compensatory picks for the 2018 draft?

I didn’t think that was done until closer to the draft.

I’m not sure or not if we know we won’t receive a comp pick in the 2018 draft for losing Baker, Djax & Garçon.

https://overthecap.com/projecting-2018-compensatory-picks/ 

Just a projection, but they project none.

[turtle28]

23 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

https://overthecap.com/projecting-2018-compensatory-picks/ 

Just a projection, but they project none.

Hmm. I get that we did sign Pryor, Swearinger, Brown, McClain and McGee but it just seems obvious to me that we lost more than we gained last free agency based on the contracts that especially Djax & Garçon received. One reason we couldn’t keep them is just because of that, the contracts they received.

I don’t know, I’m sure they are right and Thai is probably going to be right as well but it just doesn’t seem right to me. I definitely feel we should get some kind of comp pick for losing Djax & Garçon.

Those were two huge loses on our team last year.

[MKnight82]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

Hmm. I get that we did sign Pryor, Swearinger, Brown, McClain and McGee but it just seems to me it’s obvious we lost more than we gained last free agency based on the contracts that especially Djax & Garçon received. One reason we couldn’t keep them is just because of that, the contracts they received.

I don’t know, I’m sure they are right and Thai is probably going to be right as well but it just doesn’t seem right to me. I definitely feel we should get some kind of comp pick for losing Djax & Garçon.

Those were two huge loses on our team last year.

That's what happens when you seriously overpay backup Dlineman.  

[footy_29]

Why are so many arguing that Fuller is the best player on the defense?

So many others were arguing that Josh Norman was. Or was it Ryan Kerrigan?

Fuller was excellent in his role. His pedigree, instincts, hands and refined discipline are going to see him do well in this league. 
The Redskins FO/coaching staff just bet that he isn't the next Casey Hayward (who has a bit more arm length, although hard to say definitively in this case).

LIS - put me down with the philosophy that wants tall and long corners who have versatility and ball skills. Fuller is a great find, but I intuitively believe there are corners out there getting knocked for height that can be great specialists in the slot. 

Did they maximize on Fuller's value? No. 
But why is no one talking about MENISCUS SURGERY prior to entering the draft. He was going to be healthy for camps - this isn't a November or later injury with questionable first year contributions - this is September and meniscus scares GMs long-term. He dropped a round for that reason. The Redskins probably gave up a couple of rounds with that draft pick (3rd not 5th) because of that injury.

[MKnight82]

10 minutes ago, footy_29 said:

Why are so many arguing that Fuller is the best player on the defense?

I think people are saying he probably had the best season on defense, although Kerrigan probably deserves that nod.  Norman was banged up quite a bit.  Also in terms of value, to have a guy up there performing at that level while on a rookie contract makes him very valuable to the team.  

[oldman9er]

2 hours ago, Woz said:

Except they gave up their best young defender and a 3rd round pick in the process. By doing so, they created another positional weakness (since Breeland is likely leaving as well) and hindered their ability to fix any weaknesses.

I am thinking it easier to find a good replacement CB3 vs finding a good replacement for the QB1 that was on his way out the door. Not at all saying that giving up what you did was easy to smile through. Only saying that not having a real QB that keeps the team relevant is probably more brutal to endure. 

[oldman9er]

Quinton Dunbar. What's his story? Looks like WASH just gave him a 3 yr contract recently, and he had a good number of snaps last season. Has height, speed, athleticism. Then there's Fabian Moreau.. who I loved as a prospect. Maybe there is more to them letting Fuller go than meets the eye? 

[MKnight82]

Just now, oldman9er said:

Quinton Dunbar. What's his story? Looks like WASH just gave him a 3 yr contract recently, and he had a good number of snaps last season. Has height, speed, athleticism. Then there's Fabian Moreau.. who I loved as a prospect. Maybe there is more to them letting Fuller go than meets the eye? 

My issue is that both Dunbar and Moreau play outside.  Fuller was our primary slot CB, and our backup slot CB was typically Breeland who's a free agent.

[RSkinGM]

14 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

My issue is that both Dunbar and Moreau play outside.  Fuller was our primary slot CB, and our backup slot CB was typically Breeland who's a free agent.

Yeah, that worrisome .. I'm hoping Holsey steps up. He fell  to that round 7 pick due to the two ACL's - same knee..

I'm quite confident our astute management team has it covered 

[oldman9er]

16 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

My issue is that both Dunbar and Moreau play outside.  Fuller was our primary slot CB, and our backup slot CB was typically Breeland who's a free agent.

OK cool. Makes sense. Taller dudes with the length for the outside. I have to figure they have and had some options for a competent NCB replacement. Can you tell me about the Redskins' defense? Do they press outside often? I see they have the 29th run defense in dvoa on the season. What was the cause for that? I remember PFF had a lousy grade on Ziggy Hood and McClain. 

Would you guys say that NT, NCB, LG, and RB are the strongest concerns right now?

[Woz]

22 minutes ago, oldman9er said:

I am thinking it easier to find a good replacement CB3 vs finding a good replacement for the QB1 that was on his way out the door. Not at all saying that giving up what you did was easy to smile through. Only saying that not having a real QB that keeps the team relevant is probably more brutal to endure. 

That implies that we will have a real QB who will keep the team relevant in the scheme Jay Gruden runs. I'm not convinced Alex Smith will do well under Jay, and I'm certainly worried that his recent improvement is more due to Andy Reid than anything Smith did.

All in all, as @Thaiphoon said earlier, this is a "kick the can down the road" strategy. Unless they were absolutely sure that the 3rd/4th/5th QBs would A) not be available to them at 13 (or after 6 with a draft day trade up), or B) that the 3rd/4th/5th QBs are not worth building around (something I can sort of understand given the news out of the Senior Bowl with Allen and Mayfield), then this is a mistake. I certainly don't get the reasoning for locking up Alex Smith for four years with a contract that is 74% guaranteed.

[Woz]

Just now, oldman9er said:

I see they have the 29th run defense in dvoa on the season. What was the cause for that? I remember PFF had a lousy grade on Ziggy Hood and McClain. 

Our better defenders (Jonathan Allen and Matt Ioannidis) missed significant portions of time requiring us to play the lousy Hood and McClain.

[oldman9er]

Should be interesting, Woz. 

 

I strongly suspect that Andy Reid was holding Alex back at this point. As much as fans railed on about the QB, they also did so in the same breath as cursing the HC for his philosophical approach. They hated the horizontal pass game, and lacking focus on the run game. They hated the open formations and delay handoffs on 3rd and short/goal situations. 

Andy Reid is a player's coach, but he and his DC sucked at improvising of the plan when it wasn't working. Worse than that, when it was working? Andy would change that working plan to what didn't work. 

 

Anyway, I won't tell long-lived Redskins' fans how to feel. All I am saying is, it seems sad thing to me, if fans are giving up on any coming season of football when it is only just February 1st.