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On 1/31/2018 at 10:06 PM, BleedTheClock said:

Take the QB #1 no doubt.

Take Saquon Barkley no doubt if he's there at 4. If not, trade down and look to acquire Derwin James/Denzel Ward/Josh Jackson/Orlando Brown/Calvin Ridley.

 

Ideally, it would look like this:

#1--Sam Darnold QB

#4--Saquan Barkley RB

2nd--Orlando Brown OT

2nd--Dorance Armstrong DE

2nd--Quin Blanding FS

3rd--Braxton Berrios WR

4th--Skai Moore OLB

4th--MJ Stewart CB

5th--Antonio Callaway WR

6th--Kalen Ballage RB

6th--Dimitri Flowers FB

7th--Matthew Thomas MLB

 

*Sign AJ McCarron, Trumaine Johnson, Christian Jones, and Randall Cobb in FA*

 

 

QB: Sam Darnold/AJ McCarron/Dewshawn Kyzur

RB: Saquon Barkley/Duke Johnson/Kalen Ballage

FB: Dimitri Flowers

WR: Josh Gordon/Corey Coleman/Randall Cobb/Braxton Berrios/Antonio Callaway/Sammie Coates

TE: David Njoku/Seth DeValve

LT: Joe Thomas/Roderick Johnson

LG: Joel Bitonio/Marcus Martin

C: JC Tretter/Austin Reiter

RG: Kevin Zeitler/Spencer Drango

RT: Orlando Brown/Shon Coleman

 

LE: Emmanuel Ogbah/Carl Nassib

DT: Danny Shelton/Larry Ogunjobi/Trevon Coley/Caleb Brantley

RE: Myles Garrett/Dorance Armstrong

WLB: Christian Kirksey/Skai Moore

MLB: Joe Schobert/Christian Jones/Matthew Thomas

SLB: Jamie Collins/James Burgess

CB: Trumaine Johnson/Jason McCourty/Briean Boddy-Calhoun/MJ Stewart/Jamar Taylor/Howard Wilson

FS: Jabrill Peppers/Quin Blanding

SS: Derrick Kindred/Kai Nacua

 

 

That team is pretty damn good assuming the QB we pick at #1 is a stud.

Except, McCarron isn't very likely to sign with a team who drafts a QB #1 overall. He will only sign with a team that wants to give him a real shot at being a franchise QB!!!

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14 minutes ago, Iamcanadian said:

Drafting Chubbs or Fitzpatrick at #1 overall, would likely sentence Cleveland to remain in last place for another decade!!!

No offense, but BS.

If there is a major difference between the top and #2 QB, that's one thing. As of now, that is not the case. You can take any player you want and be guaranteed a top 3 QB. 

J

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9 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

After how many tries taking a QB #1?

The Browns haven't taken a QB higher than #22 overall since 1999. You also don't wait until #4 and get probably the 3rd best QB in the draft, just like you have every year since 1999. They haven't attempted to take the #1 ranked QB in 20 years. It's way past due.

9 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

That said, I would not draft a RB #1. Largely it comes down to the evaluation of Chubb and Fitzpatrick. If either deserves the #1 pick, take him.

If you're the Browns, you don't take anyone other than a Franchise QB with the #1 overall pick, certainly not a DE when you already have Ogbah and Garrett.

 

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1 hour ago, MWil23 said:

The Browns haven't taken a QB higher than #22 overall since 1999. You also don't wait until #4 and get probably the 3rd best QB in the draft, just like you have every year since 1999. They haven't attempted to take the #1 ranked QB in 20 years. It's way past due.

10 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

If there is a major difference between the top and #2 QB, that's one thing. As of now, that is not the case. You can take any player you want and be guaranteed a top 3 QB. 

J

If you're the Browns, you don't take anyone other than a Franchise QB with the #1 overall pick, certainly not a DE when you already have Ogbah and Garrett.

Valid objection, though similar things were said when the Giants took Lawrence Taylor. As of now there is no clear best player or best QB. The point is the be sure of one or the other.

J

 

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10 hours ago, Iamcanadian said:

Except, McCarron isn't very likely to sign with a team who drafts a QB #1 overall. He will only sign with a team that wants to give him a real shot at being a franchise QB!!!

He'll have a shot here. Besides, FA is before the draft. He doesn't need to know our draft plans. He would likely have the entire 2018 season to be the guy, as Dorsey said he hates playing rookie QB's. If McCarron really is a franchise QB and lights it up in Cleveland, shipping Darnold becomes the move.

I personally don't think McCarron is that good though. I think Darnold would beat him out in camp despite Dorsey's opinions on playing rookies.

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12 minutes ago, onejayhawk said:

Valid objection, though similar things were said when the Giants took Lawrence Taylor. As of now there is no clear best player or best QB. The point is the be sure of one or the other.

J

 

Can you point to the Lawrence Taylor in this draft? Because there is none. There's not even a Myles Garrett or a Joey Bosa or a Jalen Ramsey in this draft. Bradley Chubb is overrated as is Minkah Fitzpatrick.

Your argument about taking a QB at #4 because you can still get a good one makes no sense. We can still get an arguable BPA at #4 and have our chance at the top QB. We can't miss out on the top 2 rated QB's right now. And how do you know that the grades are all that close? This FO might be in love with Rosen and bleh on Darnold. There's no way to tell what someone's front office believes in terms of who the top QB is. You can't miss out on your top rated QB if you have the chance to take one and have needed one for almost 20 freaking years.

Drafting Minkah Fitzpatrick means you have to play either he or Peppers at FS, where they don't belong. They are both SS types that can play nickel linebacker. Bleh.

Drafting Bradley Chubb would mean moving Emmanuel Ogbah to the bench. He's one of the better young DE's in the league. Bleh.

Drafting Saquon Barkley at #1 would mean we lost out on likely the top 2 QB's in the draft and took a guy we could have just taken 3 picks later anyways.

 

How does taking your top rated QB not make sense?

And point out to me why these other guys:

a. Make sense for Cleveland

b. Are sooo good that we just can't pass on them

 

You can't make that argument. A QB is going #1 overall to the Browns. This should not be argued. Even if we landed Cousins, I still think we should take a QB #1 overall, double down, and trade one when you determine who gives you the best chance long-term.

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53 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

He'll have a shot here. Besides, FA is before the draft. He doesn't need to know our draft plans. He would likely have the entire 2018 season to be the guy, as Dorsey said he hates playing rookie QB's. If McCarron really is a franchise QB and lights it up in Cleveland, shipping Darnold becomes the move.

I personally don't think McCarron is that good though. I think Darnold would beat him out in camp despite Dorsey's opinions on playing rookies.

Also, the thing people aren't saying is would Haley want him as a QB.

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3 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

Can you point to the Lawrence Taylor in this draft? Because there is none. There's not even a Myles Garrett or a Joey Bosa or a Jalen Ramsey in this draft. Bradley Chubb is overrated as is Minkah Fitzpatrick.

Your argument about taking a QB at #4 because you can still get a good one makes no sense. We can still get an arguable BPA at #4 and have our chance at the top QB. We can't miss out on the top 2 rated QB's right now. And how do you know that the grades are all that close? This FO might be in love with Rosen and bleh on Darnold. There's no way to tell what someone's front office believes in terms of who the top QB is. You can't miss out on your top rated QB if you have the chance to take one and have needed one for almost 20 freaking years.

Drafting Minkah Fitzpatrick means you have to play either he or Peppers at FS, where they don't belong. They are both SS types that can play nickel linebacker. Bleh.

Drafting Bradley Chubb would mean moving Emmanuel Ogbah to the bench. He's one of the better young DE's in the league. Bleh.

Drafting Saquon Barkley at #1 would mean we lost out on likely the top 2 QB's in the draft and took a guy we could have just taken 3 picks later anyways.

 

How does taking your top rated QB not make sense?

And point out to me why these other guys:

a. Make sense for Cleveland

b. Are sooo good that we just can't pass on them

 

You can't make that argument. A QB is going #1 overall to the Browns. This should not be argued. Even if we landed Cousins, I still think we should take a QB #1 overall, double down, and trade one when you determine who gives you the best chance long-term.

This is a tad overdramatic, don't you think?

Take DE. Chubb would not push Ogbah to the bench. What he would do is force his way into a rotation and give the coaches reason to look for other ways to use three DE together. Depth is never bad. Is Chubb the best player in this draft? I don't know and neither do you. No one will know for years. It's almost as likely for the best player in the top 10 to drafted 10th as 1st.

The point is not that taking a QB #1 is a bad idea, but that you should not get married to it.

J

 

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I think the new GM and his personnel staff will emerge from their preparation with a QB they feel has an edge over the others, and should bey all means take him #1 overall to guarantee getting their guy, then go BPA regardless of position from there. Unless they get a surefire many year starter like Cousins in FA, then they should  go BPA all the way.

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24 minutes ago, onejayhawk said:

This is a tad overdramatic, don't you think?

Take DE. Chubb would not push Ogbah to the bench. What he would do is force his way into a rotation and give the coaches reason to look for other ways to use three DE together. Depth is never bad. Is Chubb the best player in this draft? I don't know and neither do you. No one will know for years. It's almost as likely for the best player in the top 10 to drafted 10th as 1st.

The point is not that taking a QB #1 is a bad idea, but that you should not get married to it.

J

 

Dorance Armstrong, Arden Key, Duke Ejiofor, Tyquan Lewis, Josh Sweat, and Chad Thomas all and do this from the 2nd round and later as well as a veteran FA.

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On 1/31/2018 at 11:29 PM, onejayhawk said:

That is the most simple minded approach and one I think will not make it through the first planning meeting. The #4 pick changes things materially. They can look to get the absolute best player in this draft.

But do you run the risk that your QB1 goes off the board at 2 or 3?  Let's say they like Josh Allen a TON, enough to consider him at #1.  They have Bradley Chubb as the highest ranked player by a slight margin.  Do you take Allen over Chubb?  Depends on whether or not you believe that Allen is your franchise QB and whether or not you believe the Giants or Colts will take him before the Browns have the option to.  The Giants at 3 seem poised to take a QB, so they're an option to steal Allen out from underneath them.  Indianapolis seems unlikely to take a QB, but they're a prime candidate to move down and pick up more picks in the possibility.  Denver at 5 and New York at 6 could both look to jump ahead of Cleveland at 4 and New York could want to jump Denver.  There's enough reason to believe that Josh Allen could go off the board before the Browns pick at 4.  You don't pass up on a franchise QB if he's your guys.  It's that simple.

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