buno67 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Fatgerman said: Im cool with signing him to a 2 year prove-it deal, and taking our QB at 1, with the promise that AJ will have the entire 2018 season. If he succeeds to be average-above average QB, he set himself up for either an extension with us or another team that needs a QB, assuming we move to Sam/whomever we drafted in 2018. Win-Win. thats what I am thinking as well. He is only 27/28. It be smart for him to sign like a 2yr deal here. If he plays great that first year, he could be the starter for year 2. He either becomes the franchise QB and is going to get paid by the browns or he hits the market like Cousins and get a big pay day. Hell could get even more money if he showed success with the Browns. Browns dont have to completely cuff themselves to the #1 overall pick. No guarantee that QB1 pans out. Also nothing wrong with Darnold potentially sitting for two years. Dude becomes the starter at a young 23years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Dogbite said: Just stop with the nonsense already and take the QB #1 overall. Sam Darnold has been #1 since last season and has done nothing to prove he is not worth the pick since. Don't overthink it and Brown's this thing up. Saquan Barkley at #4 and trade up from #33 for Calvin Ridley and lets have a legit NFL offense for once. Darnold did plenty this season to call his #1 status into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Mind Character said: If AJ Mccaron loses his UFA grievance, then we have to immediately trade for Tyrod Taylor. Why? The eyeball test says Taylor is not worth any more than a late rounder. Both his top receivers were a thousand times more productive once they went to a team with a real quarterback. Taylor is a high end backup IMO. Now AJ, I like him more than just about anyone here and see a real conundrum: no one seems to realize AJ McCarron is a franchise quarterback except AJ and Hue. I could even see a scenario where Hue gets Dorsey on board with AJ and trades down from #1 due to legit questions with the top SIX quarterbacks in the draft. I like them all but see Darnold as a decent shot to bust, despite his can-do-no-wrong'ness around here. Baker has his issues and Rosen has legit concerns with attitude, injury and deep ball, despite his being touted as being the guy who is the best passer right now (not so sure about that one). I see a starter in AJ. Heck, I could really see some fans losing it when we get AJ, trade down from #1 and grab Mike White around pick 63 to jump NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Look, McCarron will not sign with Cleveland, if he goes anywhere, it will be to a team that guarantees him to be their starter, he is not going to a team that drafts a QB #1 overall and will only start him for 7 or 8 games. In fact, no QB with starting hopes, will sign with Cleveland, only a career backup who knows he can never be anything else, will sign with us! Sure, it is nice to dream, but let's be realistic, why in the world would McCarron sign with us, if we are drafting a QB #1 overall. Makes absolutely no sense!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Im convinced. Depending on the price Ideal AJ, Tyrod, then Bradford, Teddy While drafting Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, StewieRules said: God no. I'd rather sign Bradford or even Ryan Fitzpatrick or Matt Moore. I agree with the AJ assessment, his play late in 2015 impressed me (like that mean anything lol) I'd like to have him but even if he wins his appeal, would he come here with a wunderkid waiting in the wings? If I were him, I wouldn't. Regardless of his decision, ours should not be Taylor. You would be signing him before you draft the wunderkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, NudeTayne said: Why? The eyeball test says Taylor is not worth any more than a late rounder. Both his top receivers were a thousand times more productive once they went to a team with a real quarterback. Taylor is a high end backup IMO. Now AJ, I like him more than just about anyone here and see a real conundrum: no one seems to realize AJ McCarron is a franchise quarterback except AJ and Hue. I could even see a scenario where Hue gets Dorsey on board with AJ and trades down from #1 due to legit questions with the top SIX quarterbacks in the draft. I like them all but see Darnold as a decent shot to bust, despite his can-do-no-wrong'ness around here. Baker has his issues and Rosen has legit concerns with attitude, injury and deep ball, despite his being touted as being the guy who is the best passer right now (not so sure about that one). I see a starter in AJ. Heck, I could really see some fans losing it when we get AJ, trade down from #1 and grab Mike White around pick 63 to jump NE. Why? Because AJ Mccarron will receive a 1st round tender if he loses his grievance meaning we'd have to forego the 1st or 4th overall pick to sign him. A trade down for Mccaron and the Bengals' 12th overall pick would be insane...fantasy...and it's not realistically a possibility given Dorsey and the understanding of the talent drop off from prospects from the 4th pick to the 12th pick. Trading for Tyrod doesn't mean trading a high pick for him. He'd likely fetch a 4th-6th round pick or so. I'd love to give up a 5th or a 5th and a future late rounder, but wouldn't mind if we gave up a 4th given our excessive draft capital. If AJ Mccarron loses his UFA grievance, we need to trade for Tyrod immediately as what would be leftover would be a race for Case Keenum, Derek Anderson, and Josh Mccown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, StewieRules said: God no. I'd rather sign Bradford or even Ryan Fitzpatrick or Matt Moore. I agree with the AJ assessment, his play late in 2015 impressed me (like that mean anything lol) I'd like to have him but even if he wins his appeal, would he come here with a wunderkid waiting in the wings? If I were him, I wouldn't. Regardless of his decision, ours should not be Taylor. There's no one else that believes in AJ like our staff, and no other team will anoint AJ the QB1 with a big contract and forego drafting or acquiring another wunderkind. So, no matter the situation AJ will be walking into a place where that FO will be trying to upgrade the position, but in Cleveland he'd be going to a plae where people belive in him. A little uninformed there as Bradford is considering retirement and could barely walk/move for 2 months even though he was cleared without any knee/ligament damage meaning his knee is done/shot. He can't give a team more than 8 games and this year he couldn't even last more than 2 games when experience a noncontact injury on a knee that just won't hold up. According to Bradford himself upon returning to practice in the playoffs," I don't know what the future holds for it, I don't know how it's going to hold up..." Ryan Fitzpatrick is garbage.... Matt Moore is absolute garbage.... Tyrod provides a lot of what Alex Smith provides except more impactful via the run. Tyrod Taylor Alex Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Id give up our last 2nd for AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, Kiwibrown said: Id give up our last 2nd for AJ. I would've during the season, but now that we have Darnold in sight I'll keep our draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, Mind Character said: I would've during the season, but now that we have Darnold in sight I'll keep our draft capital. I still think we need a mentor QB and Aj can be that. I this is a weak draft class then a 2nd round pick if fair comp. I hope we don't yoke our selve to Kirk Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2ThaIzzo Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Mind Character said: ------------------------------------------------ Someone please tell me why AJ Mccaron is so awful? 6ft 3. 220 pounds He had a 30 TD to 3 INT year at Bama his Junior year surrounded by A++ talent leading to a BCS NC title. Followed by a 28 and 7 INT at Bama his Senior year surrounded by A++ talent leading to a BCS NC title. His stock dropped as media reports stated that at the combine he came off as Cocky and Arrogant. " It was reported that teams felt during pre-draft interviews that he came across cocky and over-confident. When asked what his best attribute was during an interview at the combine, McCarron responded, "Winning!" He had the stigma of being a game manager due to the superior talent around him at Bama. He also was thought to not have a plus arm. He had full control of the offense at Bama and understands pro schemes. When he came out in the draft I did no digging on him and believed what I was told via the sports media and draft rumor mills. Then, one day last year, when I heard that we might be interested in him I watched all of his pro snaps at the Bengals and watched half of the games his senior year and a handful his Junior year. I was blown away at his deep ball touch and accuracy; his ability to adjust at the line. Specifically, watch his play in the pros, he's throwing bombs 50 yards down the field dropped in the bucket to AJ Green. He also gets the ball out fast. He's a limited athlete that has trouble avoiding the rush. In summary, those who hate on his ability to be a winning prospect really need to watch the tape. 1. Here's Bucky Brooks breaking down "Why AJ McCarron is Better Than You Think | X's & O's Film Breakdown | NFL Now" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgotbAzeOMM 2. Here's some 2015 Highlights: I'm telling you, Mccaron surrounded by talent is no HOFer or All pro, but he's definitely can get you 8 wins. I've been on the Mccaron train for over a year as a solid bridge QB that can buy you 2 years of bench time for your young developing QB to watch from the sidelines. During those 2 years, Mccaron can get you 7-8 games. I posted similar things a while back, especially focusing on how good he was at Bama. He was the one QB that Saban actually let throw the football and trusted. His biggest knock to me is that hideous chest tattoo. I can't think of a successful QB that has one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioG Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, H2ThaIzzo said: I posted similar things a while back, especially focusing on how good he was at Bama. He was the one QB that Saban actually let throw the football and trusted. His biggest knock to me is that hideous chest tattoo. I can't think of a successful QB that has one of those. Real talk right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bruceb Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: I still think we need a mentor QB and Aj can be that. Not so sure about that. Would be a problem methinks with Cousins, too. They both seem to want to be the man, not the mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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