AkronsWitness Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, bruceb said: The FO is good at identifying and developing pitchers but don't seem to able to identify good hitting position players. Seems like more than a few teams field a new phenom each year. But not us. Put of curiosity where did Kipnis, Santana, Jose and Brantley rank as prospects? I know Brantley was the 'player to be named later' in the Cliff Lee trade. I don't think Jose was anything special as a prospect. No idea about Santana/Kip. But all of those guys were darn good. I'm really hoping Naylor/Bradley/Ramirez/Reyes/Rosario can be thatnrd collection of long term guys Edited June 12, 2021 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Random thought: I understand they are in different leagues, but does anybody else find it as stupid as I do that the Indians don't play the Pirates more? They are 3 hours away from each other and I honestly cannot remember the last time they even played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Random thought: I understand they are in different leagues, but does anybody else find it as stupid as I do that the Indians don't play the Pirates more? They are 3 hours away from each other and I honestly cannot remember the last time they even played. The Gods of scheduling work in mysterious ways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Well, so far at least tonight, Bauers has been Bauers, and Bradley has been the second coming of someone good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bruceb said: Well, so far at least tonight, Bauers has been Bauers, and Bradley has been the second coming of someone good. This is the best Cleveland's 5-8 hitters have looked since 2016. And Reyes isn't even here yet. Yeeesh. Also, I'm loving Ahmed Rosario so far from that Lindor trade. Looks like we got a good one in return Edited June 12, 2021 by AkronsWitness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks1957 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 9:22 PM, AkronsWitness said: Random thought: I understand they are in different leagues, but does anybody else find it as stupid as I do that the Indians don't play the Pirates more? They are 3 hours away from each other and I honestly cannot remember the last time they even played. I think they way it works is (and I have been wrong plenty of times before) but each team is allowed to designate an "annual interleague partner". That way, no matter what cross league division your division is playing that year - you always have a home and home series with that partner. (Until both teams agree to pick other partners). For the Tribe, it is the Reds. So when the AL Central is playing the NL East, the Tribe and Reds still have a home and home. For the Tribe to play the Pirates more than the AL Central vs. the NL Central dynamic - they would need to sever the Tribe-Reds agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, brooks1957 said: I think they way it works is (and I have been wrong plenty of times before) but each team is allowed to designate an "annual interleague partner". That way, no matter what cross league division your division is playing that year - you always have a home and home series with that partner. (Until both teams agree to pick other partners). For the Tribe, it is the Reds. So when the AL Central is playing the NL East, the Tribe and Reds still have a home and home. For the Tribe to play the Pirates more than the AL Central vs. the NL Central dynamic - they would need to sever the Tribe-Reds agreement. Makes sense but I just find it weird that the schedule makers dont look at the geographic locations of each team, see Cleveland and Pittsburgh and go "wait a min....something isnt right here" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said: Makes sense but I just find it weird that the schedule makers dont look at the geographic locations of each team, see Cleveland and Pittsburgh and go "wait a min....something isnt right here" I just wish every so often they reshuffle the leagues and divisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibuspeedrace Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, buno67 said: I just wish every so often they reshuffle the leagues and divisions @pf9 could probably handle this task Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketheadsdad Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 8:36 PM, AkronsWitness said: Put of curiosity where did Kipnis, Santana, Jose and Brantley rank as prospects? I know Brantley was the 'player to be named later' in the Cliff Lee trade. I don't think Jose was anything special as a prospect. No idea about Santana/Kip. But all of those guys were darn good. I'm really hoping Naylor/Bradley/Ramirez/Reyes/Rosario can be thatnrd collection of long term guys Wasn't Brantley part of the deal that sent Sabathia to Milwaukee? LaPorta was the big name, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, malibuspeedrace said: @pf9 could probably handle this task go from the AL and NL to AMDL and BMDL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bucketheadsdad said: Wasn't Brantley part of the deal that sent Sabathia to Milwaukee? LaPorta was the big name, IIRC. Yes. Brantley was the 'player to be named later' in that trade with the Sabathia trade. Cliff Lee trade brought us Cookie Carrasco. Trading Choo brought us Bauer. Vinnie Pastano trade brought us Mike "sunshine" Clevinger. Believe it or not, the indians do have a really good track record of trading All Stars and getting good players in return that some people might not have seen at the time. Which is why I'm reserving my judgement for the Lindor/Bauer/Clevinger trades until 2024 Edited June 15, 2021 by AkronsWitness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 10 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Yes. Brantley was the 'player to be named later' in that trade with the Sabathia trade. Cliff Lee trade brought us Cookie Carrasco. Trading Choo brought us Bauer. Vinnie Pastano trade brought us Mike "sunshine" Clevinger. Believe it or not, the indians do have a really good track record of trading All Stars and getting good players in return that some people might not have seen at the time. Which is why I'm reserving my judgement for the Lindor/Bauer/Clevinger trades until 2024 They’re incredibly competent and capable of finding talent, there’s no questioning that. That’s why it’s so incredibly frustrating when ownership won’t open the checkbook a bit and let these guys make a run at a ring every once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 54 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: They’re incredibly competent and capable of finding talent, there’s no questioning that. That’s why it’s so incredibly frustrating when ownership won’t open the checkbook a bit and let these guys make a run at a ring every once in a while. They sort of pulled the trigger in that 2015-2016 run they had with Edwin, Miller and a few others but yeah, It has been quite some time since they resigned multiple players to long term contracts. I get the feeling they think that since they have had such great luck in the past developing players--they can just keep doing it. Almost like it gives them a free pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 11 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Yes. Brantley was the 'player to be named later' in that trade with the Sabathia trade. Cliff Lee trade brought us Cookie Carrasco. Trading Choo brought us Bauer. Vinnie Pastano trade brought us Mike "sunshine" Clevinger. Believe it or not, the indians do have a really good track record of trading All Stars and getting good players in return that some people might not have seen at the time. Which is why I'm reserving my judgement for the Lindor/Bauer/Clevinger trades until 2024 clevinger trade got us Franmil, so I think it has already worked out especially now that he is recovering from surgery on his throwing arm. the front office is very good at identifying talent but we are expecting them to identify talent in young guys/prospects for every position and expecting them to hit on them all. it be great if this FO was able to do that to fill in gaps. it be great if they could get legit starting quality FAs or be able to keep their established vets. Then if there is a need, we call a guy up. We shouldnt expect the hopes of the season are on the should of say 4-5 prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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