LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 hours ago, MWil23 said: That's ok, neither does Dorsey. Just look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 "Baker Mayfield makes my underpants tingle" --- John Dorsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said: The argument for not doing it is that you are in position to get not 1 but 2 top 4 players in the draft who could change the face of your franchise. Why keep trading out of position to get those guys and delaying it until next year. That chain of trading down for more picks has led us to the worst 2 year stretch in NFL history because we are always trading down and watching other guys take OBJ, Aaron Donald, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, ect. Those could be our guys, but the Browns traded down and decided not to take them because they valued more draft picks. My prize for sitting here and watching 0-16 has netted me 2 of the best 4 players in the country to turn that around. Identify them and Take them! because instead of getting 1 and 4 this year and 10 next year you get say... 1 and 12 this year and 10 and 12 next year, or maybe that extra 12th overall pick turns into the 4th overall pick again with an injury. the chain of trading down isnt what single handedly lead us to the worst 2 year stretch in history. dont be reductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 @Mind Character I think the franchise tag is a load of crap if used for more than 1 season. And for some players it can be used to achieve a huge discount. Aaron Donald would be a good example. on a 5th year option it is a discount for the team, he franchise tag would also be a discount for the Rams as he should be the highest paid non skill player in the League. To mke it worthwhile being in the NFL a player really has to achieve a second contract IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 8 hours ago, CBrownsman said: The last thing this roster needs is another 8+ mid/late round rookies coming in on top of the 20+ we are already developing. Somethings gotta give. Agree. 7 hours ago, mistakey said: trade picks into next year so we can get even more first rounders and limit the amount of young players on the 2018 roster? Use some to add a couple of vets in trades, too. Some combination of consolidating to trade up, trading for future picks and trading for vets should leave us taking only 5-6 players from this year's draft, which is fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: o man john malkovich is so much closer than jim carrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Mind Character said: "Baker Mayfield makes my underpants tingle" --- John Dorsey Mayfield inducted incontince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: The argument for not doing it is that you are in position to get not 1 but 2 top 4 players in the draft who could change the face of your franchise. Why keep trading out of position to get those guys and delaying it until next year. One reason this year is that except for QB, the "top" players aren't all that exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: Mayfield inducted incontince Solving the QB position is his highest priority. The whole Browns' world and the Haslam's are watching. The selection will define him for better or worse. I think the only way he picks Mayfield is if he is aiming for early retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2ThaIzzo Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: The argument for not doing it is that you are in position to get not 1 but 2 top 4 players in the draft who could change the face of your franchise. Why keep trading out of position to get those guys and delaying it until next year. That chain of trading down for more picks has led us to the worst 2 year stretch in NFL history because we are always trading down and watching other guys take OBJ, Aaron Donald, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, ect. Those could be our guys, but the Browns traded down and decided not to take them because they valued more draft picks. My prize for sitting here and watching 0-16 has netted me 2 of the best 4 players in the country to turn that around. Identify them and Take them! we didn't miss out on OBJ or Donald because of trading down. We had the opportunity to draft either of them and we took Gilbert instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 hours ago, mistakey said: because instead of getting 1 and 4 this year and 10 next year you get say... 1 and 12 this year and 10 and 12 next year, or maybe that extra 12th overall pick turns into the 4th overall pick again with an injury. the chain of trading down isnt what single handedly lead us to the worst 2 year stretch in history. dont be reductive. I have to agree with H2THalzzo, trading down has destroyed this franchise and led us to a 1-31 record. Studs are found most often in the top 5 and the top 10, trading back from #4 may be possible, but you do not trade back further than #10 in any scenario, as the drop off in talent as prospects is quite significant, past the 10th pick, especially in finding studs which make up all winning rosters. First round picks later in the draft, produced Weedon and Manziel for us and that is the chance you are taking when moving out of a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: @Mind Character I think the franchise tag is a load of crap if used for more than 1 season. And for some players it can be used to achieve a huge discount. Aaron Donald would be a good example. on a 5th year option it is a discount for the team, he franchise tag would also be a discount for the Rams as he should be the highest paid non skill player in the League. To mke it worthwhile being in the NFL a player really has to achieve a second contract IMO That is pretty obvious, the NFLPA is pretty weak and the latest CBA so favours the owners, it is a joke. That's why they wanted rookie contracts limited by a cap, it was the driving force that pushed up player contracts. When you consider how tough pro football is and that the average player only survives 5 years in the league, you realize the significance of small rookie contracts. Really, only QB's gained from the cap on rookies, the rest of the players have to survive injury free, usually for 4 or 5 years, to make real money playing pro football, especially star RB's. If I am a high school kid, football would be the last sport I would pick, if he is interested in a pro career, unless he is a talented QB. The NFL has always lied about salaries by including unguaranteed money when posting salaries, money that most players outside of QB's rarely ever receive. When you consider the pounding your body takes playing the sport and the effects that last the rest of your life, players simply are not paid enough for those consequences. Most of the retired players are lucky if they can still walk without serious help, after their playing days are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Iamcanadian said: I have to agree with H2THalzzo, trading down has destroyed this franchise and led us to a 1-31 record. Studs are found most often in the top 5 and the top 10, trading back from #4 may be possible, but you do not trade back further than #10 in any scenario, as the drop off in talent as prospects is quite significant, past the 10th pick, especially in finding studs which make up all winning rosters. First round picks later in the draft, produced Weedon and Manziel for us and that is the chance you are taking when moving out of a top 10 pick. so trading 12 (woulda been Hooker) for 22 (peppers) and 2018 4 overall is part of why we're losing? the perpetual first could be in the top 5... as evidenced by this year if we get rid of the perpetual first, we'll just have a normal draft every year, likely outside of the top 5. dont you want a top 5 pick every year? I'd at least like a shot at it for not being garbage Also... we took a player at 1 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeRealDeal Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Justin Smith, LaDainin Tomlinson, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Steve Hutchinson, Casey Hampton, Nate Clements, Drew Brees all taken after we took Gerard Warren at #3 -------------------------------------------------------- Ed Reed taken 8 picks after William Green ---------------------------------------------------- Willis McGahee, Nnamdi Asomugha, Charles Tillman, Anquon Boldin, Osi Umenyiora all taken after we took Jeff Faine at #21 -------------------------------------------------------- Ben Roethlisberger and Vince Wilfork taken after we TRADED UP and took Kellen Winslow at #6 ---------------------------------------------------------- DeMarcus Ware, Aaron Rodgers, Logan Mankins taken well after we took Braylon Edwards #3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Antonio Cromartie, Tamba Hali, Johnathan Joseph, Nick Mangold all taken after we took Kamerion Wimbley #13 ------------------------------------------------------------ Joe Staley, Paul Posluszny, Eric Weddle, LaMarr Woodley all taken after we took Brady Quinn #22 ------------------------------------------------------------ Clay Matthews taken after we took Alex Mack at #21 LeSean McCoy taken after we took Mohamed Massaquoi and David Veikune #50 and #52 picks aquired via trade down ------------------------------------------------------------ Earl Thomas, Jason Pierre Paul, Demaryius Thomas and Dez Bryant all taken after we took Joe Haden #7 ------------------------------------------------------------ Cameron Jordan, Mark Ingram, Muhammad Wilkerson, Andy Dalton all taken after we traded down and TRADED UP with pick #70(Justin Houston) and took Phil Taylor #21 ----------------------------------------------------------- Luke Kuechly, Fletcher Cox and Chandler Jones all taken after we TRADED UP for Trent Richardson at #3 David DeCastro, Dont'a Hightower, Harrison Smith, Alshon Jeffery, Bobby Wagner all taken after we took Brandon Weeden #22 a pick aquired via trade down ---------------------------------------------------------- Sheldon Richardson, Kyle Long, DeAndre Hopkins all taken after we took Barkevious Mingo at #6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Barr, Taylor Lewan, Oden Beckham Jr., Aaron Donald, Zack Martin, C.J. Mosley all taken after we took Justin Gilbert #8 again after TRADING UP from #10 Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr taken after we took Johnny Manziel #22 AGAIN AFTER A TRADE UP Trading down has not hurt this team even in the slightest. The inability to property identify talent is what has crippled this team. Every year any team can find pro bowl impact players within the Top 50 picks. The are there to be had every single draft even as far back as the 50ish range. It is the teams that evaluate and identify the talent the best and make the right picks that flourish. It has nothing to do with where they are picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgdish Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, mistakey said: so trading 12 (woulda been Hooker) for 22 (peppers) and 2018 4 overall is part of why we're losing?the perpetual first could be in the top 5... as evidenced by this year if we get rid of the perpetual first, we'll just have a normal draft every year, likely outside of the top 5. dont you want a top 5 pick every year? I'd at least like a shot at it for not being garbage Doesn't matter that it's a 4 overall this year or in the top 5 next year if your strategy is to keep trading out of it for the Phil Taylors of the world instead of taking the Julio Jonses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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