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3 minutes ago, BAConrad said:

No clue how 49ers all of a sudden are the new team to beat these next few years.

It's not like the Eagles just won a Superbowl with their core guys all locked up until 2020.

Niners won their final 5 games after having gone 1-10 by inserting a new QB into the mix.

They lost 4 of those first 10 games by a field goal or less. There's ample reason to think that if JG had been their QB from day 1 they would've made the playoffs. This despite having a bottom-5 roster in the NFL, particularly on offense. 

They also have the most cap space in the league going into next season (or they did before giving Garoppolo his deal, but they still have among the most).

The Eagles have a difficult cap situation to deal with. So it stands to reason that this season might have been them peaking. It doesn't necessarily mean they can't win more championships in the near future, but they'll have to make some tough personnel decisions to make in the near term. They also have some key players who are going to be on the wrong side of 30 entering next year, whereas the Niners' core talent is all very young.

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30 minutes ago, Starless said:

Niners won their final 5 games after having gone 1-10 by inserting a new QB into the mix.

They lost 4 of those first 10 games by a field goal or less. There's ample reason to think that if JG had been their QB from day 1 they would've made the playoffs. This despite having a bottom-5 roster in the NFL, particularly on offense. 

They also have the most cap space in the league going into next season (or they did before giving Garoppolo his deal, but they still have among the most).

The Eagles have a difficult cap situation to deal with. So it stands to reason that this season might have been them peaking. It doesn't necessarily mean they can't win more championships in the near future, but they'll have to make some tough personnel decisions to make in the near term. They also have some key players who are going to be on the wrong side of 30 entering next year, whereas the Niners' core talent is all very young.

How did you figure that exactly??? The Eagles cap situation is just fine. We have all key players under contract and with a couple of easy roster moves, we are in good shape. 

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16 minutes ago, Eagles $5$ said:

How did you figure that exactly??? The Eagles cap situation is just fine. We have all key players under contract and with a couple of easy roster moves, we are in good shape. 

Graham, Darby, Long, Hicks and Ajayi all have deals that are up after next season. I can see Long not being in the team's long-term (ahem) plans, but the others are all guys who will be difficult to retain while also giving Wentz his 2nd contract. Currently they have Robinson and Bradham set to depart in free agency and apparently will have to cut Vinny Curry to get under the cap in the short-term. 

Then you have guys like Agholor, Kendricks, Wisniewski and Mills, who are playing for spare change right now and are going to expect their pay bumped up in the near term. 

It's tough to envision the core of this Eagles team looking much in 2020 like it does right now.

It's not really a knock on the Eagles, though. It's basically impossible for any team to remain in contention for more than a few years at a time without getting extremely lucky.

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11 hours ago, Eagles $5$ said:

How did you figure that exactly??? The Eagles cap situation is just fine. We have all key players under contract and with a couple of easy roster moves, we are in good shape. 

Respectfully, if you're only good after making a few moves, you're not good. When cap space is dictating roster moves, you're not in good shape. If you're cutting or trading a player because you need to get under the cap, not because they're not contributing to the team, you're in bad shape. Because 90% of the NFL doesn't have to do that this offseason. There are only 3 teams over the cap right now (and one of them won't be once a trade goes through.) The median cap space is like $30M. Sitting at -$10M is not good, no matter what moves can get you under. And I speak from experience, as one of the teams in very similar shape. Chiefs fans were convinced year to year the cap was fine, because so-and-so walks or we cut so-and-so or extend so-and-so and we're under the cap. And it was fine when we cut Flowers and Peters jumped in immediately, or when Hudson walked in free agency and Morse panned out in the draft. But it sucked when we kicked obscene amounts of money down the road to Hali's past prime years, or when Sean Smith walked and immediately made our RCB position terrible.

It's not a doom and gloom situation by any stretch of the imagination. I want it to be clear that that's not what I'm saying. But it's absolutely not "good shape" or "just fine."

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Top: Teams with a franchise QB that are not paying the franchise price...yet

This would be the Eagles and Rams.  49'ers might get there but they have about 2 year before Garoppolo's contract begins to effect how much they can spend in the FA market.

All others depend on how well their FO work with their coaches. If we think about the NFL teams as peaks and valleys, we want teams to have long peaks and short valleys.  I need to see more from the Jags before I lift them up.  They have had 10 years of picking in the top 10 in the NFL draft.  The last time the Steelers picked in the top 10 was 2000.  Perhaps the Jags have gotten the right combination in the FOnow.  Perhaps it is just a luck of drafting so high for so long that has gotten them talent.

If I had to pick a bottom team I would say the Colts.  Playing your franchise QB and they have almost zero talent.  They need 2-3 years of drafting in the bottom 15 plus hitting on those picks plus getting enough FA to cover the horror that is their roster.  And they have to overcome Irsay.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Starless said:

Niners won their final 5 games after having gone 1-10 by inserting a new QB into the mix.

They lost 4 of those first 10 games by a field goal or less. There's ample reason to think that if JG had been their QB from day 1 they would've made the playoffs. This despite having a bottom-5 roster in the NFL, particularly on offense.

They'll need to add offensive weapons around Jimmy, they have the cap space to do so, but right now, the talent's not there.

 

12 hours ago, Starless said:

Graham, Darby, Long, Hicks and Ajayi all have deals that are up after next season. I can see Long not being in the team's long-term (ahem) plans, but the others are all guys who will be difficult to retain while also giving Wentz his 2nd contract. Currently they have Robinson and Bradham set to depart in free agency and apparently will have to cut Vinny Curry to get under the cap in the short-term. 

Then you have guys like Agholor, Kendricks, Wisniewski and Mills, who are playing for spare change right now and are going to expect their pay bumped up in the near term. 

I think the only two of those we're keen on bringing back will be Graham and Hicks (if he can stay healthy this coming season)

Darby is inconsistent and gives up passes more often than we like, we also have 3 Corners which we will get good use out of moving forward in Mills, Rasul Douglas, and Sidney Rice. Chris Long is aging, but we'll keep him this season. Ajayi, good player, but if you watch him run, I'm surprised he even has knees left.

By the time Agholor, Wis' deals come up we'll have some more money to work with. Sure we may have to draft some players, but the KEY players will still be here.

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12 hours ago, lancerman said:

If we made this list this time last year none of these teams would be on it. There's your answer. 

These threads are funny. 

Last year it was the Cowboys that were destined for greatness for years to come because they had several elite players at every key position. This year it's the Eagles, apparently.

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11 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said:

These threads are funny. 

Last year it was the Cowboys that were destined for greatness for years to come because they had several elite players at every key position. This year it's the Eagles, apparently.

The key difference is the Eagles won the Super Bowl with a backup quarterback. They have a more realistic chance at continued success than the Cowboys with Dak and no depth on their roster. 

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Just now, eagles18 said:

key difference is the Eagles won the superbowl with a back up quarterback. They are have a more realistic chance at continued success then the cowboys with Dak and no depth on their roster. 

I get the confidence, just like I did with the Cowboys. But there are unpredictable aspects that we see year in year out from teams that we simply cannot account for in advance. if that were the case, noone would ever bet.

You don't think that it's possible that opposing teams are going to adapt to the offense/Wentz's play style? Or how Pederson uses Ajayi vs his tape in Miami? Or any other unforseen factor such as major injuries? Prior to this year, would you have predicted Rodgers going down for the entire year or the Seahawks losing their entire LOB unit?  

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14 minutes ago, eagles18 said:

The key difference is the Eagles won the Super Bowl with a backup quarterback. They have a more realistic chance at continued success than the Cowboys with Dak and no depth on their roster. 

Last year literally everybody thought the Cowboys would be dominant for years to come and the Giants were emerging as a great defensive force in the league. This year everyone is questioning whether it was even the right move to go with Dak and the Giants look like they are in shambles. A few years ago people thought the Seahawks would be the dominant force in the NFC for years to come. It lasted two years then they showed massive signs of problems. In 2015 everyone thought the Panther led by Cam Newton would be the top dog for a long time. 

You can't predict anything. 

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5 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said:

I get the confidence, just like I did with the Cowboys. But there are unpredictable aspects that we see year in year out from teams that we simply cannot account for in advance. if that were the case, noone would ever bet.

You don't think that it's possible that opposing teams are going to adapt to the offense/Wentz's play style? Or how Pederson uses Ajayi vs his tape in Miami? Or any other unforseen factor such as major injuries? Prior to this year, would you have predicted Rodgers going down for the entire year or the Seahawks losing their entire LOB unit?  

They can adapt all they want but its not like Pederson/Wentz are gonna run the same plays next season. Offenses adapt too. 

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1 minute ago, lancerman said:

Last year literally everybody thought the Cowboys would be dominant for years to come and the Giants were emerging as a great defensive force in the league. This year everyone is questioning whether it was even the right move to go with Dak and the Giants look like they are in shambles. A few years ago people thought the Seahawks would be the dominant force in the NFC for years to come. It lasted two years then they showed massive signs of problems. In 2015 everyone thought the Panther led by Cam Newton would be the top dog for a long time. 

You can't predict anything. 

but last year the cowboys or Giants didn't win the super bowl. The Eagles had plenty of seasons where they looked dominant and had a good future but nothing came of it. Right now as it stands the teams that will be perennial Contenders in the NFC are Eagles, Falcons, Saints, Panthers, Seahawks, and Vikings, and Green Bay 

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Just now, eagles18 said:

but last year the cowboys or Giants didn't win the super bowl. The Eagles had plenty of seasons where they looked dominant and had a good future but nothing came of it. Right now as it stands the teams that will be perennial Contenders in the NFC are Eagles, Falcons, Saints, Panthers, Seahawks, and Vikings, and Green Bay 

People said the same thing about the Saints as well when they won it.

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