mikee Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I've been dabbling in this longer than most people on the site. These are all the guys that I have graded as no hesitation, I would select with the 1st pick in the draft. I really only feel like I've missed on a handful of the 25, but I'm not sure if it is a coincidence that Couch, Carr, Brown all went to expansion teams: 97 OT Orlando Pace 98 QB Peyton Manning CB Charles Woodson 99 CB Champ Bailey RB Ricky Williams QB Tim Couch 00 DE Courtney Brown LB Lavar Arrington 02 DE Julius Peppers QB David Carr 04 QB Philip Rivers WR Larry Fitzgerald SS Sean Taylor 07 WR Calvin Johnson RB Adrian Peterson 10 DT Ndamukong Suh FS Eric Berry 11 CB Patrick Peterson WR A.J. Green QB Cam Newton LB Von Miller 12 QB Andrew Luck QB Robert Griffin 14 DE Jadeveon Clowney 17 DE Myles Garrett If you are forcing me to pick my top 5 from the group I would go with: OT Orlando Pace CB Champ Bailey DT Ndamukong Suh DE Julius Peppers WR Calvin Johnson QBs: Manning Luck Carr Rivers Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 What about Keith Rivers, Playboi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesDawgDX Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: What about Keith Rivers, Playboi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 20 hours ago, VanS said: 2. QB Joshua Dobbs - NFL comp: Randall Cunningham w/ elite intangibles The Steelers sure are hoping you’re right lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Not my highest rated ever or anything, but wanted to throw a shout-out to aj hawk since he hadn't been mentioned. Loved everything about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 18 hours ago, AlNFL19 said: The Steelers sure are hoping you’re right lol If you don't want to read spoilers, don't look below: He's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckIsGOAT Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 In no order Andrew Luck Robert Griffin Leveon Bell (my thoughts are documented on the old website) Michael Crabtree AJ Green Star Lotulelei Dalvin Cook Terrell Suggs Kelley Winslow II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 In no particular order: Calvin Johnson. Quite simply the perfect prospect. Had every tool in the tool box and was a dedicated worker to boot. Played in a triple option offense and didnt care that he didnt get the ball most of the time. Blocked his rear end off on every down and dominated when the ball came his way. Larry Fitzgerald. What can I say about Fitz? He was the most dominant college player I can ever recall and knew he would be a HOFer by the end of his career. Only question he ever had was long speed and that didnt keep him from separating. Robert Griffin III. Theres a lot of talk every year about world class athleticism, there have in fact been only a few legit olympic sprinters make it in the NFL. RG3 was a dream. Stronger arm than Luck, more accurate than Luck. Much better athlete than Luck. I still contend to this day that anyone who looks at it objectively and not just operating under the assumption that Luck was better, would come away from the process with RG3 #1. Gerald Mccoy. So close in grading between Suh and Mccoy. I had Mccoy graded out higher bc of his length and athleticism, and his ability to get after the qb. Last but not least, Adrian Clayborn. Dont laugh, I see you laughing. Look no doubt a lot of this was the Iowa homer in me, but man AC was every bit the destructive force in college his junior year that Suh was the year before. Go watch the orange bowl from that year, that might be the most dominant college bowl game ive ever seen. And the whole year was like that. I was convinced AC was going to be droy, an eventual dpoy, and HOFer. Hes had a good long career, but its no where near what it looked like it was going to be. Honorable Mention: Michael Johnson. Yes, i predicted MJ would break the rookie sack record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 On 2/12/2018 at 10:41 AM, mikee said: I've been dabbling in this longer than most people on the site. These are all the guys that I have graded as no hesitation, I would select with the 1st pick in the draft. I really only feel like I've missed on a handful of the 25, but I'm not sure if it is a coincidence that Couch, Carr, Brown all went to expansion teams: 97 OT Orlando Pace 98 QB Peyton Manning CB Charles Woodson 99 CB Champ Bailey RB Ricky Williams QB Tim Couch 00 DE Courtney Brown LB Lavar Arrington 02 DE Julius Peppers QB David Carr 04 QB Philip Rivers WR Larry Fitzgerald SS Sean Taylor 07 WR Calvin Johnson RB Adrian Peterson 10 DT Ndamukong Suh FS Eric Berry 11 CB Patrick Peterson WR A.J. Green QB Cam Newton LB Von Miller 12 QB Andrew Luck QB Robert Griffin 14 DE Jadeveon Clowney 17 DE Myles Garrett If you are forcing me to pick my top 5 from the group I would go with: OT Orlando Pace CB Champ Bailey DT Ndamukong Suh DE Julius Peppers WR Calvin Johnson QBs: Manning Luck Carr Rivers Newton Champ Bailey was outstanding, so fun to watch, just a little behind Woodson in terms of his overall abilities but not by much. Both are such rare talents are corner. LaVar Arrington oddly enough I did not like in college at all. I thought he had oddly skinny legs for a linebacker and made awesome plays like jumping over guys but overall was not that physically tough and was not great at getting off blocks. Not very instinctive either and did get injured more than one would like and that continued in college. Awesome big play linebacker but in college I thought he was quite overrated as a prospect in general. Orlando Pace was a little before my time following prospects but the tape I have seen he was such a great athlete for his size, obvious superstar tackle. And Ricky Williams sure was fun to watch in college, got plenty of opportunities with more of an old school run game like that back in the day. Very hard to bring down when he got rolling, was like a bowling ball out there at times with his thick legs and power he brought. Peyton Manning I agree, one thinks of a QB prospect you think Peyton Manning and compare him to that. Best QB prospect since I have been watching, such a good frame, good mentality, good build, good character, good background, good arm, everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Ozzy said: Champ Bailey was outstanding, so fun to watch, just a little behind Woodson in terms of his overall abilities but not by much. Both are such rare talents are corner. LaVar Arrington oddly enough I did not like in college at all. I thought he had oddly skinny legs for a linebacker and made awesome plays like jumping over guys but overall was not that physically tough and was not great at getting off blocks. Not very instinctive either and did get injured more than one would like and that continued in college. Awesome big play linebacker but in college I thought he was quite overrated as a prospect in general. Orlando Pace was a little before my time following prospects but the tape I have seen he was such a great athlete for his size, obvious superstar tackle. And Ricky Williams sure was fun to watch in college, got plenty of opportunities with more of an old school run game like that back in the day. Very hard to bring down when he got rolling, was like a bowling ball out there at times with his thick legs and power he brought. Peyton Manning I agree, one thinks of a QB prospect you think Peyton Manning and compare him to that. Best QB prospect since I have been watching, such a good frame, good mentality, good build, good character, good background, good arm, everything. Champ Bailey was my favorite CB prospect ever and my highest rated player in that draft. Woodson had slightly better instincts but I thought Bailey was the better athlete. Thought both would be HoFers though. Only other guy to come close since was Peterson, but his technique was sloppier and took more risks. Physically he stacked up though. Pace was a monster with quick feet. He would flatten guys the way we see Quenton Nelson doing now but he could also mirror in pass pro. Perfect LT prospect with length, strength and balance. Manning was so smart, you could see how he understood what it took to play QB and what to expect from his WRs. He wasn't perfect, obviously he wasn't particularly nimble, but he had Marino-like ability to manipulate the pocket and find room. My biggest concern was his passes were not a tight spiral and tended to wobble so I was a little worried about how he would play in poor weather conditions. The Ryan Leaf-Peyton Manning debate (just like the Bledsoe-Mirer debate a few years earlier) was a complete joke in my mind. Leaf was a good prospect (I obviously couldn't judge his character), but he lacked the same pocket awareness and had nowhere near the accuracy and ability to read coverages of Manning. I got fooled a bit by Arrington. I thought he was explosive enough of an athlete to work around blocks and not necessarily have to take them on all the time, but his instincts were not refined enough to know when to use power and when to use speed. Others that fooled me: Tim Couch. It wasn't because of his college system though. I saw him reading the field and anticipating routes, but his athleticism was sub par and didn't possess the keen pocket awareness to make up for it nor the ability to throw from multiple platforms. his arm and accuracy were good with a clean pocket but not any other time. Courtney Brown. I thought he was going to be just powerful enough and just quick enough to handle every situation but he ended up a bit of a tweener who was just not quite quick enough to rush with speed and not quite strong enough to rush with power, especially once the injuries began hampering him. I still don't think I missed on David Carr. I still think he had everything you needed and had he gone to a different environment he would have excelled but that Houston expansion OL and lack of talent murdered him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damikeeeee Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Derrick Johnson is my personal favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesDawgDX Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 All you really have to know about Orlando Pace was he finished 4th in the Heisman voting. Unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_connor Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, BowlesDawgDX said: All you really have to know about Orlando Pace was he finished 4th in the Heisman voting. Unbelievable Yeah, I wasn't doing grades as such back then, but I certainly was in awe of him as a prospect. As can't-miss as a prospect can be, and at a position of great value, to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Tom Brady. I just had a feeling. j/k. I really liked Allen Robinson coming out of the draft a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 4 hours ago, mikee said: Champ Bailey was my favorite CB prospect ever and my highest rated player in that draft. Woodson had slightly better instincts but I thought Bailey was the better athlete. Thought both would be HoFers though. Only other guy to come close since was Peterson, but his technique was sloppier and took more risks. Physically he stacked up though. Pace was a monster with quick feet. He would flatten guys the way we see Quenton Nelson doing now but he could also mirror in pass pro. Perfect LT prospect with length, strength and balance. Manning was so smart, you could see how he understood what it took to play QB and what to expect from his WRs. He wasn't perfect, obviously he wasn't particularly nimble, but he had Marino-like ability to manipulate the pocket and find room. My biggest concern was his passes were not a tight spiral and tended to wobble so I was a little worried about how he would play in poor weather conditions. The Ryan Leaf-Peyton Manning debate (just like the Bledsoe-Mirer debate a few years earlier) was a complete joke in my mind. Leaf was a good prospect (I obviously couldn't judge his character), but he lacked the same pocket awareness and had nowhere near the accuracy and ability to read coverages of Manning. I got fooled a bit by Arrington. I thought he was explosive enough of an athlete to work around blocks and not necessarily have to take them on all the time, but his instincts were not refined enough to know when to use power and when to use speed. Others that fooled me: Tim Couch. It wasn't because of his college system though. I saw him reading the field and anticipating routes, but his athleticism was sub par and didn't possess the keen pocket awareness to make up for it nor the ability to throw from multiple platforms. his arm and accuracy were good with a clean pocket but not any other time. Courtney Brown. I thought he was going to be just powerful enough and just quick enough to handle every situation but he ended up a bit of a tweener who was just not quite quick enough to rush with speed and not quite strong enough to rush with power, especially once the injuries began hampering him. I still don't think I missed on David Carr. I still think he had everything you needed and had he gone to a different environment he would have excelled but that Houston expansion OL and lack of talent murdered him. Possibly David Carr was hurt more by what was around him. However I was not a big fan of his in college, found it kind of ridiculous how impressed everyone was by his bench press, think he could bench like 400 pounds or something and it is like so what. I thought he was pretty stiff and quite overrated, hated his throwing motion, but sure maybe being around better talent could have helped him, same with Tim Couch. I did connect the failure of David to his brother Derek, who I was not a huge fan of in college either, has had a ok start to his career but will see what happens, is not the savior some made him out to be two years ago but will see. Couch in college was very impressive but to not call him a system guy, I think he sure was. Yeah now a day in the NFL he would do great potentially because it is much harder to play pass defense and players cannot hit like they did before, and you cannot even come close to touching a WR like they did back in the day. Would have fit better to Couch's skill set a limited arm strength. Put him back there with a bad O-Line a few targets to throw to, and have him make long throws down field, not going to succeed doing that. Bailey sure was fun to watch, especially in his transition from WR to corner. Always like the corners with ball skills and return ability, they can be the special ones for sure and Woodson/Bailey were the best I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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