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39 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

She may have done him dirty, but he shouldn't have dragged her out. 

He's definitely getting six games plus depending on Goodell wanting to add on the marijuana arrest a month prior. 

But I don't think those details alone mean he's gone. 

Yeah, still a matter of wait and see.

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3 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

She may have done him dirty, but he shouldn't have dragged her out. 

He's definitely getting six games plus depending on Goodell wanting to add on the marijuana arrest a month prior. 

But I don't think those details alone mean he's gone. 

An extremely emotional argument, he revoked permission from his house but he tried to handle it by removing her from the house. We'll need more details but I think this is getting way overblown. At least it's not like Brock and he beat her black and blue. 

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Doesn't matter if she done him a dirty there is no reason to lay a hand on a woman for any reason other than self defence it's as simple as that. Because she wouldn't leave is no reason to drag him her out. 

Considering he was already in trouble for his first pot arrested a month ago you would think he would be on his best behaviour but he wasn't. You must realize that with all the incidents before this one that you were trending on thin ice and getting close to throwing away your career. Since he didn't have the awareness about this i doubt he ever gets it. 

 

A person who knows there career was in jeopardy first after the first bust would stay off the weed for foreseeable future not less than a month. Next knowing how the NFL punishes domestic violence why would you think dragging a women out of your place would be a good idea. If it was me i would of turn on my camera on phone to have prove of no wrong doing while i call the police to remove the women. 

Just cut the guy already 

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Yeah, what he did was wrong, and he should have just called the police to escort her. But we don't know the details, and people here making conclusions that he's some form of monster that beat her. Was he yanking her hair and literally throwing her out of the house? Or was he literally just getting in front of her and boxing her out of the home? We only have her word so far, let's see when more details come to fruition.  

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Personally, I don't feel we need to cut him to send a message. Lynch said when we drafted him the he would surround Foster on and off the field. If not even a year later, you just cut the guy, you're not really supporting him and trying to help him. It's just not helping at all. He'll just be a free agent and probably as much or an even bigger threat to other human beings. He needs to be punished, but releasing him just opens the door for his life to really unravel. I think, for the moment, Lynch really has to keep his word. Sure, Foster hasn't held his end of the deal, but I think you have to give him more than 10 months. I'm fully on board with a year long suspension. I'm not counting on Foster for 2018. But I would keep him in the building. I would have him see a sports psychologist or something. I'd have him take part in meetings, and working out day in and day out (and hopefully get his body right to eventually not have all these injury issues). He just wouldn't get to be on the field. If we release him, we're not helping him. We're not even helping ourselves. We're just unleashing a bad human being onto the world with no support system. If you want to send a real message to the NFL, your fans and your players about DV and other off the field issues, make a public stand about helping the guy. The fact that it didn't work with Aldon shouldn't affect this. Aldon went to rehab and very real substance abuse issues. Does Reuben have substance abuse issues? He got caught with pot, but does he have a problem with that? Or does he have behavioral problems in general? Problems that were parallel to drug use, not necessarily caused by it. If he's released, he's still a young immature man with hundreds of thousands in his bank account, and a lot of potential for further stupidity. We're not helping the world, there.

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1 hour ago, rudyZ said:

Personally, I don't feel we need to cut him to send a message. Lynch said when we drafted him the he would surround Foster on and off the field. If not even a year later, you just cut the guy, you're not really supporting him and trying to help him. It's just not helping at all. He'll just be a free agent and probably as much or an even bigger threat to other human beings. He needs to be punished, but releasing him just opens the door for his life to really unravel. I think, for the moment, Lynch really has to keep his word. Sure, Foster hasn't held his end of the deal, but I think you have to give him more than 10 months. I'm fully on board with a year long suspension. I'm not counting on Foster for 2018. But I would keep him in the building. I would have him see a sports psychologist or something. I'd have him take part in meetings, and working out day in and day out (and hopefully get his body right to eventually not have all these injury issues). He just wouldn't get to be on the field. If we release him, we're not helping him. We're not even helping ourselves. We're just unleashing a bad human being onto the world with no support system. If you want to send a real message to the NFL, your fans and your players about DV and other off the field issues, make a public stand about helping the guy. The fact that it didn't work with Aldon shouldn't affect this. Aldon went to rehab and very real substance abuse issues. Does Reuben have substance abuse issues? He got caught with pot, but does he have a problem with that? Or does he have behavioral problems in general? Problems that were parallel to drug use, not necessarily caused by it. If he's released, he's still a young immature man with hundreds of thousands in his bank account, and a lot of potential for further stupidity. We're not helping the world, there.

Where was the support for Trammaine Brock? 

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2 hours ago, PapaShogun said:

Where was the support for Trammaine Brock? 

But had John Lynch publicly committed to help Brock as he has Foster? For all we know, he was perhaps not even in the FO's plans long term. He was still on the roster then, because we didn't have a reason to get rid of him, but there was no guarantee he was going to make the team. Lynch hadn't committed to him. His incident happened to happen before the draft, the staff probably knew there was a chance they'd take someone like Spoon. Back then, we still had Robinson, and we thought maybe Dontae wouldn't be as terrible as he has been, and we had signed Williams to play in the slot. I don't think Brock was necessarily a lock to make the team. The DV incident, so why bother? We're not talking about the same talent level as Foster, and not talking about the same public commitment. One remained from the previous regime, the other was handpicked by the new. Very different situations.

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By the way, I seem to be defending Foster, but I don't like the guy. I appreciate the football talent, but I personally feel is not all too different from a piece of trash. I'm defending a principle, not Foster specifically. Maybe he ends up in the trash, I wouldn't be shocked and I would accept that decision. But he can still be recycled. Save the environment, guys!! But some things cannot be recycled. Trash is trash. If he is, then so be it.

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https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/2/12/17004644/reuben-foster-arrest-assault-weapon-possession-sig-sauer-516-short-barreled-rifle 

"San Jose Mercury News reporters Patrick May and Robert Salonga are reporting the weapons charge was based on Foster having a SIG Sauer 516 short-barreled rifle."

 

The article then goes on to say that they think the gun might be illegal based on the modifications of the gun itself. This is pure speculation. A simple Google search showed that there are 'California legal' versions of the gun. Also the article states that the 'police found the gun during a search of the home' which is misleading considering Foster told them exactly where to find the gun after he was cuffed. Not that it makes a huge difference but that does show compliance on his part. Also all reports say he was 'arrested without incident' meaning he was fully cooperating, which is something. Doesn't sound like alcohol or drugs were involved (at least we haven't heard anything like that). 

The accuser also told the police he had 2 AR-15s, but he only had the one SIG (which is a close relative to the AR-15). So it does seem like she was doing everything she could to stick it to him. Not sure how the guns were relevant to the incident that occurred unless he threatened her with them. 

I wonder if the police allowed his (hopefully now) ex girlfriend to stay in HIS home after they arrested him. I don't think she had any right to be there if that's the case. 

 

So fingers crossed that this gun was registered and legal in California. That would be a major hurdle to clear in avoiding jail. 

Was the woman injured? if not, and the gun was legal, then he will avoid jail but probably not a suspension, which honestly I have no problem with as long as he is still on our team. 

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1 minute ago, N4L said:

 

Was the woman injured? if not, and the gun was legal, then he will avoid jail but probably not a suspension, which honestly I have no problem with as long as he is still on our team. 

Yeah, there's no way he avoids the suspension one way or the other, particularly given his track record. I think it starts at 6 games, maybe an appeal gets it down to 4, I don't know, but I think that 6 baseline for DV cases now, isn't it? 

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Honestly, he deserves at least six games for his buffoonery. I don't care how wrong he thought the women was, you don't lay hands on her. Sure he didn't punch her or hit her, but dragging her isn't no small thing. And then he got arrested a month prior. So yeah, give him AT LEAST six games, if not more.

 

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4 hours ago, rudyZ said:

Personally, I don't feel we need to cut him to send a message. Lynch said when we drafted him the he would surround Foster on and off the field. If not even a year later, you just cut the guy, you're not really supporting him and trying to help him. It's just not helping at all. He'll just be a free agent and probably as much or an even bigger threat to other human beings. He needs to be punished, but releasing him just opens the door for his life to really unravel. I think, for the moment, Lynch really has to keep his word. Sure, Foster hasn't held his end of the deal, but I think you have to give him more than 10 months. I'm fully on board with a year long suspension. I'm not counting on Foster for 2018. But I would keep him in the building. I would have him see a sports psychologist or something. I'd have him take part in meetings, and working out day in and day out (and hopefully get his body right to eventually not have all these injury issues). He just wouldn't get to be on the field. If we release him, we're not helping him. We're not even helping ourselves. We're just unleashing a bad human being onto the world with no support system. If you want to send a real message to the NFL, your fans and your players about DV and other off the field issues, make a public stand about helping the guy. The fact that it didn't work with Aldon shouldn't affect this. Aldon went to rehab and very real substance abuse issues. Does Reuben have substance abuse issues? He got caught with pot, but does he have a problem with that? Or does he have behavioral problems in general? Problems that were parallel to drug use, not necessarily caused by it. If he's released, he's still a young immature man with hundreds of thousands in his bank account, and a lot of potential for further stupidity. We're not helping the world, there.

I appreciate this line of thinking, I really do. It's quite possibly the best way to prevent future domestic violence.

But the other side is that from here on if you draft anyone that you've committed to supporting the precedent has been set that they are allowed one domestic violence incident while maintaining the support of the organization. If not then you are offering differing levels of support to different players and probably because of talent level. And then the players know that as an organization you're only willing to make exceptions to the most talented players because you really care more about winning than actually helping them get better as individuals. 

It's a tricky situation and I don't know all the answers but I think as an organization there should be specific issues (domestic violence and sexual assault to name a couple) that are not in any way tolerated. And any player who gets involved in that type of situation is putting themselves at risk of losing their job and being a part of what the Niners are building. 

Again, all of this being said we're still finding out what happened in Reuben's case and he is presumed innocent until details come out to the contrary.

 

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