BDL Discussion Thread 2018

[pheltzbahr]

19 minutes ago, MD4L said:

I'd love to give an opinion if @Whickerposted his draft.

Do mine while you wait.:

1.8 - Minkah Fitzpatrick, S - Bama

2.4  - Mike McGlinchey, OT - Notre Dame

3.9  - Hayden Hurst, TE - South Carolina

4.4  - Kerryon Johnson, RB - Auburn

4.9  - Deon Cain, WR - Clemson

5.10 - Rashaad Penny, RB - San Diego St

6.10 - Marcel Ateman, WR - Oklahoma St

7.10 - Kemoko Turay, EDGE - Rutgers

 

[Jlash]

35 minutes ago, pheltzbahr said:

Do mine while you wait.:

1.8 - Minkah Fitzpatrick, S - Bama

2.4  - Mike McGlinchey, OT - Notre Dame

3.9  - Hayden Hurst, TE - South Carolina

4.4  - Kerryon Johnson, RB - Auburn

4.9  - Deon Cain, WR - Clemson

5.10 - Rashaad Penny, RB - San Diego St

6.10 - Marcel Ateman, WR - Oklahoma St

7.10 - Kemoko Turay, EDGE - Rutgers

 

I had Minkah ranked 4th on my BB. Great pick up. I love me some Rashaad Penny. 

I think you had a chance to grab a potential game changer at WR when you took Hurst, who is a solid player but old for a rookie. Cain has all the tools, if he learns how to catch that could be exciting. 

Turay is a H/W/S specimen who hasn't played good football since his freshman year.

Luh you Pheltzy.

[WFLukic]

Interested in LB & Safeties. Hit me up if you have any for trade. 

[PR]

On 4/17/2018 at 11:41 AM, Jlash said:

1 stud and 3 bums.

 

Also the name of @PR's sex tape. 

I didn't get a Frogs analysis  @MD4L

Edited April 19, 2018 by PR

[MD4L]

37 minutes ago, PR said:

I didn't get a Frogs analysis  @MD4L

I've been juggling real life stuff. In due time.

[Jlash]

1 hour ago, PR said:

I didn't get a Frogs analysis  @MD4L

I gave you the analysis you needed.

[MD4L]

On 4/17/2018 at 8:10 AM, PR said:

1.4 - Quenton Nelson

5.4 - Arden Key

6.13 Jamarco Jones

7.16 Simmie Cobbs Jr.

 

Overall: Like the other teams whom haven't received "A" grades, Wichita only had four picks to address needs. They missed rounds 2-4 which is generally where year one contributions are found. Despite this, their one early choice is arguably the top pro ready player in the draft. Nelson should be a week one starter and develop into one of the better guards by seasons end. Arden Key can certainly develop into a high floor player but there are questions surrounding his personal life. With late round picks, if talent is available teams are much more lenient towards taking chances. I do not believe he'll be a year one impact player so he should serve as depth in the meanwhile. Jones is a higher floor guy than the traditional 6th round pick. It's one of the better value picks mostly because the positional value. He could've been reached on earlier and still would've been a reasonable choice for many teams. If he can develo into a starter, that should help offset the limited amount of picks Wichita owned. Finally, Simmie Cobbs is a nice flyer in BDL. Teams toward the end of the year are usually lacking depth at areas like WR. Though it'd be a surprise if he was a high snaps player in year one, I think he's got enough ability to get and take advantage of an opportunity within his first two years. Overall, this was an average group of talent infused to this roster and there weren't many picks to show for it. Adding Nelson is a major plus nonetheless and will help PR sell to voters blocking for Fournette and helping Goff.

Grade: B-

1.4: Nelson: Highest floor of any prospect. He's deservedly received general respect across the board. Combine performance was actually one of the underrated showings in regards to discussion about talent post draft. I slightly question his upside after such a dominant showing. Should immediately become one of the better guards in the league. IMO there are about five players this class whom should hold their own from rookie OTAs. He is one of them. If a RB can go first overall and be a great pick, same should apply with Nelson.

5.4: Key: Boom/bust player. Like Lorenzo Carter and Marcus Davenport, his ceiling is about the same. A lot of non football related stories surround Key. His combine was a little underwhelming and the weight is questionable. At pick 5.4, if he's eventually a contributor quality coaching and more stability in his personal situations will be a significant influence. Unlike others, I don't think his combine performance is a true indictation of his athletic ability. 

6.13: Jones: Nearly the opposite of Key, Jones is not considered a high caliber athlete for the tackle position. Despite this, I love his production. 4 year player at the blind side of a unique offense. There will be some challenges having to integrate into more of a passing oriented scheme but he's built for that. Huge arms. Is best suited for ZBS with his weight. May have some concerns regarding his ability in a man blocking scheme. His athletic limitations may become an issue against high level pass rushers. Although not expected to become a day one contributor, he's got a decent chance to stick if forced to play early.

7.16: Cobbs: Very similar to Jones, he's not an elite athlete for the NFL. He's got a big body, elite short area speed, and solid deep speed. Did not destroy the 40 so the ability to accumulate YAC could be an issue in comparison to the top receivers in this class. I think he should have success relatively early on go and slant routes. His NFL career will likely depend on the ability to progress as a route runner and making plays consistently on the ball. Slight chance the NFL penalizes him for an off field situation.

Edited April 19, 2018 by MD4L
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[RuskieTitan]

Been busy with work and life, but I'm looking forward to trying some draft grades next year myself. Though I might not do it, cuz it'll quickly become evident I have no idea what I'm talking about and my draft process amounts to little more than printing off Yahoo's draft board and arranging it alphabetically.

[Ragnarok]

4 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said:

Been busy with work and life, but I'm looking forward to trying some draft grades next year myself. Though I might not do it, cuz it'll quickly become evident I have no idea what I'm talking about and my draft process amounts to little more than printing off Yahoo's draft board and arranging it alphabetically.

Just remember.  None of us know what we are talking about.  

[MD4L]

7 hours ago, pheltzbahr said:

Do mine while you wait.:

1.8 - Minkah Fitzpatrick, S - Bama

2.4  - Mike McGlinchey, OT - Notre Dame

3.9  - Hayden Hurst, TE - South Carolina

4.4  - Kerryon Johnson, RB - Auburn

4.9  - Deon Cain, WR - Clemson

5.10 - Rashaad Penny, RB - San Diego St

6.10 - Marcel Ateman, WR - Oklahoma St

7.10 - Kemoko Turay, EDGE - Rutgers

 

Overall: Gotham made a questionable choice with Minkah Fitzpatrick depending on whom you ask. I also perferred Derwin, but Minkah was the better college producer and has experience making plays for high level football teams. If he can translate some leadership with that same level of versatility, this draft should compete for arguably the top group. McGlinchey should at the very least put heat on Gotham's starting tackles, while Hurst, Cain, Penny, and Ateman are badly needed skill position depth. If you think I missed Kerryon Johnson, you'd be incorrect. In fact he's my personal favorite player from Gotham's draft class. I'm not sure if he'll become a good receiver for a NFL running back. However I'm very confident that he'll develop into a quality two down back and one of the stronger weapons in I-formation sets quickly. Jordan Howard/Jay Ajayi 2.0. With a franchise QB on the roster, it's imperative to bring weapons to maximize his talent. Mission accomplished.

Grade: A-

1.8: Fitzpatrick: Highly decorated college player. Asked to play a variety of roles and excelled at nearly all of them. Did not play much boundary CB and due to subpackage snaps in reality is still likely to earn a spot on the field. His actual position is questionable to me, but he's got upside to produce in single high and in the slot. Those are two extremely valuable qualities. More of an impact talent rather than prototype player at any position.

2.4: McGlinchey: The top OT in this draft. I think he's got some plus traits (arm length + bench press) to complement his production. If he struggles at the next level, it will likely be due to the fact he's not a high level athlete. Scheme friendly due to versatility in playing man and ZBS. 

3.9: Hurst: One of the oldest players in the draft. Hurst has likely maxed out his frame. He is well built and owns solid production. If he can become a capable run blocker, has the body type to become a well rounded player at the position. Until then he's a solid receiving target with excellent hands. His sticking point will be remaining one of the sure handed players in addition to whatever he can contribute as blocker.

4.4: Johnson: Perhaps my favorite Gotham pick. I really like Johnson as a runner. I'm not sure what he is in terms of running routes but he did damage on screens. He's my number #3 RB and arguably a better runner than Saquan Barkley. At the least his floor is a downhill two down redzone specialist but that one trick similar to Hurst is extremely effective. Tested very well with top 3 broad and vertical jump suggesting an explosive upside. I questioned his speed and he responded with a 4.52 during his pro day so I like his athletic profile quite a bit. He reminds me quite a bit of Jay Ajayi. Above average value per my BB, but he's a very good prospect IMO.

4.9: Cain: He's not my favorite prospect but he's certainly a NFL caliber athlete. He's really good with the ball in his hands but still progressing into a strong route runner. Should be able to contribute immediately on screen passes and things of that nature. Certainly felt the downgrade at QB as a JR in Clemson. His floor is safe with a QB who can stretch the field. His speed and change of direction will be strengths at the next level. He should be a contributor at the next level by year two. My floor for him provided he's on the field is as a depth receiver that is better than 3rd/4th CBs. If he's asked to become a starter, I think he could have some troubles against high end CBs who can match his quickness and short area speed(think Jaire Alexander/Tre'Davious White). His ceiling is in reach if he can run the entire route tree. Hands are good enough to give him chances in iso situations.

5.10: Penny: Admittedly did not do much scouting on Penny. His flat speed at 220 is unique. Like the other Gotham picks, he has terrific production. There are some areas he can improve upon and we don't know his quickness and agility from combine testing. Got a chance to compete with the some of the top players in this draft at the Senior Bowl. Didn't amaze but should be a producer at the next level with his body type and skill set. Career elevation if he's capable of pass pro and receiving in the NFL.

6.10: Ateman: Some people thought he was a 4.3 40 guy which may have been far fetched. What he does offer is some redzone upside. He's a four year producer with some impressive strength for his size. Creating separation against off man coverage will likely be his greatest obstacle. Above average change of direction which aids his average speed. I'm not sure he'll elevate into a high impact type of player but he's got enough tools to make plays and become at the very least a rotational guy with redzone efficiency.

7.10: Turay: Been in the operation room a couple times but he started and ended his Rutgers career with production. I thought his 40 was impressive for his size and unfortunately it was the only thing he did at the combine. Should become a guy that produces with good health. Although his current weight suggest 3-4 edge, he's built well enough to become a plus contributor in a 4-3. In the 7th round, teams can do much worse. 

[MD4L]

7 hours ago, Jlash said:

I had Minkah ranked 4th on my BB. Great pick up. I love me some Rashaad Penny. 

I think you had a chance to grab a potential game changer at WR when you took Hurst, who is a solid player but old for a rookie. Cain has all the tools, if he learns how to catch that could be exciting. 

Turay is a H/W/S specimen who hasn't played good football since his freshman year.

Luh you Pheltzy.

No mention of Kerryon? For shame.

[WFLukic]

@Contract Committee

Approve our trades pls. 

Tnx. 

[PR]

7 hours ago, MD4L said:

 

Overall: Like the other teams whom haven't received "A" grades, Wichita only had four picks to address needs. They missed rounds 2-4 which is generally where year one contributions are found. Despite this, their one early choice is arguably the top pro ready player in the draft. Nelson should be a week one starter and develop into one of the better guards by seasons end. Arden Key can certainly develop into a high floor player but there are questions surrounding his personal life. With late round picks, if talent is available teams are much more lenient towards taking chances. I do not believe he'll be a year one impact player so he should serve as depth in the meanwhile. Jones is a higher floor guy than the traditional 6th round pick. It's one of the better value picks mostly because the positional value. He could've been reached on earlier and still would've been a reasonable choice for many teams. If he can develo into a starter, that should help offset the limited amount of picks Wichita owned. Finally, Simmie Cobbs is a nice flyer in BDL. Teams toward the end of the year are usually lacking depth at areas like WR. Though it'd be a surprise if he was a high snaps player in year one, I think he's got enough ability to get and take advantage of an opportunity within his first two years. Overall, this was an average group of talent infused to this roster and there weren't many picks to show for it. Adding Nelson is a major plus nonetheless and will help PR sell to voters blocking for Fournette and helping Goff.

Grade: B-

1.4: Nelson: Highest floor of any prospect. He's deservedly received general respect across the board. Combine performance was actually one of the underrated showings in regards to discussion about talent post draft. I slightly question his upside after such a dominant showing. Should immediately become one of the better guards in the league. IMO there are about five players this class whom should hold their own from rookie OTAs. He is one of them. If a RB can go first overall and be a great pick, same should apply with Nelson.

5.4: Key: Boom/bust player. Like Lorenzo Carter and Marcus Davenport, his ceiling is about the same. A lot of non football related stories surround Key. His combine was a little underwhelming and the weight is questionable. At pick 5.4, if he's eventually a contributor quality coaching and more stability in his personal situations will be a significant influence. Unlike others, I don't think his combine performance is a true indictation of his athletic ability. 

6.13: Jones: Nearly the opposite of Key, Jones is not considered a high caliber athlete for the tackle position. Despite this, I love his production. 4 year player at the blind side of a unique offense. There will be some challenges having to integrate into more of a passing oriented scheme but he's built for that. Huge arms. Is best suited for ZBS with his weight. May have some concerns regarding his ability in a man blocking scheme. His athletic limitations may become an issue against high level pass rushers. Although not expected to become a day one contributor, he's got a decent chance to stick if forced to play early.

7.16: Cobbs: Very similar to Jones, he's not an elite athlete for the NFL. He's got a big body, elite short area speed, and solid deep speed. Did not destroy the 40 so the ability to accumulate YAC could be an issue in comparison to the top receivers in this class. I think he should have success relatively early on go and slant routes. His NFL career will likely depend on the ability to progress as a route runner and making plays consistently on the ball. Slight chance the NFL penalizes him for an off field situation.

You are awesome. Thanks!

[Jlash]

 

 

8 hours ago, RuskieTitan said:

Been busy with work and life, but I'm looking forward to trying some draft grades next year myself. Though I might not do it, cuz it'll quickly become evident I have no idea what I'm talking about and my draft process amounts to little more than printing off Yahoo's draft board and arranging it alphabetically.

Do it!

[Jlash]

3 hours ago, WFLukic said:

@Contract Committee

Approve our trades pls. 

Tnx. 

Well, it would be the trade committee, but agreed.

@Ragnarok even though I know you saw the trade and are avoiding it.

@MD4L

@SirA1

@PR

There are trades to approve gents.