MSURacerDT55 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, Ripline said: I never reference off the field issues at all!! If you think my argument is weak, that's fine. It's my OPINION that he did not even reach his true potential because he was so full of himself that he felt he didn't have to play all the time. This is why I chose to select Sanders in this comparison. One player played 100%, 100%of the time. The other player played 100%, 95%of the time. Both are extreme talents at their positions!!! Again, my OPINION!!! ...100% true that it is your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it. Its kinda hard to fathom a guy who revolutionized the position and is a first ballot HOF'r not "reaching his true potential", kind of an oxymoron isn't it? As far as being " so full of himself" can you name an elite WR of this or last decade that wasn't a diva? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, Ripline said: I never reference off the field issues at all!! If you think my argument is weak, that's fine. It's my OPINION that he did not even reach his true potential because he was so full of himself that he felt he didn't have to play all the time. This is why I chose to select Sanders in this comparison. One player played 100%, 100%of the time. The other player played 100%, 95%of the time. Both are extreme talents at their positions!!! Again, my OPINION!!! The thing is is that terms like best, greatest etc are all left up for interpretation. For instance IMO Greatest RB? Emmitt Smith. He was super talented, has the accolades the big moments etc etc. Best RB? Walter Payton. He was everything you asked for and then some in a RB. most talented RB? Barry Sanders. As far as pure talent Barry Sanders has the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripline Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: ...100% true that it is your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it. Its kinda hard to fathom a guy who revolutionized the position and is a first ballot HOF'r not "reaching his true potential", kind of an oxymoron isn't it? As far as being " so full of himself" can you name an elite WR of this or last decade that wasn't a diva? 1 Yup, difference between first ballot HOF and GOAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 10 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: ...100% true that it is your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it. Its kinda hard to fathom a guy who revolutionized the position and is a first ballot HOF'r not "reaching his true potential", kind of an oxymoron isn't it? As far as being " so full of himself" can you name an elite WR of this or last decade that wasn't a diva? Calvin Johnson ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, theuntouchable said: Calvin Johnson ..... - Anytime you take someone elses cleats just to show you are the fastest at the combine, when you originally planned not to do so in the first place, screams me - When you would rather retire than have Stafford continuously put Calvin in physically comprising positions with his throw it up to Calvin when things go wrong routine. Calvin chose himself over team when he had at least 4 good years left. Let's not act like Calvin didn't have diva in him because if you want to be real, he pulled the biggest me move when the Lions needed him the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 34 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: - Anytime you take someone elses cleats just to show you are the fastest at the combine, when you originally planned not to do so in the first place, screams me - When you would rather retire than have Stafford continuously put Calvin in physically comprising positions with his throw it up to Calvin when things go wrong routine. Calvin chose himself over team when he had at least 4 good years left. Let's not act like Calvin didn't have diva in him because if you want to be real, he pulled the biggest me move when the Lions needed him the most. You’re going to call a guy a diva for thinking of his health first? You’ve got to be kidding. You realize that would also make Barry Sanders a diva? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Let's not act like Calvin didn't have diva in him because if you want to be real, he pulled the biggest me move when the Lions needed him the most. You mean the same Lions franchise who's med staff didn't give two craps about the players' health and gave out pain-killers "like candy"? Yeah, shame on him for not looking out for them when they were clearly looking out for his best interest. I suppose you don't think CTE is real either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 10 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: You mean the same Lions franchise who's med staff didn't give two craps about the players' health and gave out pain-killers "like candy"? Yeah, shame on him for not looking out for them when they were clearly looking out for his best interest. I suppose you don't think CTE is real either? Sensitive much? A) not a Lions fan B) explain anywhere in the text where I suggested CTE isn't real? Patiently waiting, MSURacerDT55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: You’re going to call a guy a diva for thinking of his health first? You’ve got to be kidding. You realize that would also make Barry Sanders a diva? Lmao, thanks for proving a point for me, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 12 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: - Anytime you take someone elses cleats just to show you are the fastest at the combine, when you originally planned not to do so in the first place, screams me - When you would rather retire than have Stafford continuously put Calvin in physically comprising positions with his throw it up to Calvin when things go wrong routine. Calvin chose himself over team when he had at least 4 good years left. Let's not act like Calvin didn't have diva in him because if you want to be real, he pulled the biggest me move when the Lions needed him the most. Andre Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, EliteTexan80 said: Andre Johnson. Good call, but still a severe minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Good call, but still a severe minority. Larry Fitzgerald Steve Smith Andre Reed Tim Brown Isaac Bruce Torry Holt Reggie Wayne Marvin Harrison Steve Largent Art Monk I'd argue the severe minority are the diva WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, EliteTexan80 said: Larry Fitzgerald Steve Smith Andre Reed Tim Brown Isaac Bruce Torry Holt Reggie Wayne Marvin Harrison Steve Largent Art Monk I'd argue the severe minority are the diva WRs. But I said this and last decade, thus the beginning of the diva receiver generation. Not guys from the late 70's and 80's where players has second jobs and lived in the same neighborhoods of fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Good call, but still a severe minority. So a player that gets into an on field altercation and throws punches isn’t a diva, but someone who retired “early” is? inconsistencies noted. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: But I said this and last decade, thus the beginning of the diva receiver generation. Not guys from the late 70's and 80's where players has second jobs and lived in the same neighborhoods of fans... Save for Monk and Largent, all of those guys were in the 90s/00s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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