thebestever6 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Is that and a right to first refusal tender the same thing? Where you put a first or second round pick on a guy and he can negotiate with other teams? But if he signs you can refuse to get that pick? And apparently if you don't sign it no picks are awarded and you get nothing. Why does the tag even exist? It's like a desperate ploy to get compensation. So that's not an option in this Cousins mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I feel like what you are talking about is the restricted free agent tender. When someone is a restricted free agent, you can tender them with compensation. They can negotiate with whomever and if that team signs them, you get the pick, or you get them back on a tender specific salary for one year if nobody offers them a contract that they accept. The transition tag is not for restricted free agents, it's for unrestricted free agents. It basically amounts solely to the right of first refusal, and if you refuse to match the contract offer, you get nothing (not even the comp pick that you would have received had that player left naturally through free agency) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Forge said: I feel like what you are talking about is the restricted free agent tender. When someone is a restricted free agent, you can tender them with compensation. They can negotiate with whomever and if that team signs them, you get the pick, or you get them back on a tender specific salary for one year if nobody offers them a contract that they accept. The transition tag is not for restricted free agents, it's for unrestricted free agents. It basically amounts solely to the right of first refusal, and if you refuse to match the contract offer, you get nothing (not even the comp pick that you would have received had that player left naturally through free agency) Didn't know that part about the comp pick. That seems like a silly rule, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 11:29 AM, Forge said: I feel like what you are talking about is the restricted free agent tender. When someone is a restricted free agent, you can tender them with compensation. They can negotiate with whomever and if that team signs them, you get the pick, or you get them back on a tender specific salary for one year if nobody offers them a contract that they accept. The transition tag is not for restricted free agents, it's for unrestricted free agents. It basically amounts solely to the right of first refusal, and if you refuse to match the contract offer, you get nothing (not even the comp pick that you would have received had that player left naturally through free agency) I have a question, what if there are 3 offers on a player who gets the transition tag? Say Cousins got it and Smith was never traded, and you get these deals offered to him: JAX - 5 years, $125 mil, $60 mil guaranteed ($25 AAV) CLE - 6 years, $146 mil, $80 mil guaranteed ($21 AAV) DEN - 1 year, $35 mil, fully guaranteed (assume Talib and Sanders are gone) JAX has the middle but long offer, CLE has the highest total guaranteed and longest deal, and DEN has the highest AAV to try and prevent WAS from matching. Does Cousins get to pick what deal he wants? Or is there a set path he must go by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Sugashane said: Does Cousins get to pick what deal he wants? Yes. He would sign an offer sheet with the franchise he wants to join and then his original team would have the option to match and keep him on an identical contract, or refuse and let him leave for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, drd23 said: Yes. He would sign an offer sheet with the franchise he wants to join and then his original team would have the option to match and keep him on an identical contract, or refuse and let him leave for nothing Isnt that how a poison pill contract can work? He can pick the team that has some crazy number in year 2 to make it unfavorable for the team to match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Isnt that how a poison pill contract can work? He can pick the team that has some crazy number in year 2 to make it unfavorable for the team to match Salaries themselves aren't considered poison pills so long as the structure is within allowable limits (there are actually some restrictions that don't come up much). Poison pills are things like "will not play more than one game in Washington during the regular season". In Hutchinsons case, I think it was a requirement that he be the highest paid lineman on the team, which Seattle couldn't match because Walter Jones was on the team and made more than the contract offered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Forge said: Salaries themselves aren't considered poison pills so long as the structure is within allowable limits (there are actually some restrictions that don't come up much). Poison pills are things like "will not play more than one game in Washington during the regular season". In Hutchinsons case, I think it was a requirement that he be the highest paid lineman on the team, which Seattle couldn't match because Walter Jones was on the team and made more than the contract offered This. If the team just can't afford to match the offer....tough. It's only a poison pill if they structure it so the contract would basically auto-void (like the Hutchinson example you mention) or if it would be specifically more expensive or more punishing for one team than any other (so something like, gets a $15M bonus if Cousins played games for a team in 2018 that he also played games for in 2017, or something.) If it's just structured normally so a team can't afford it, that's totally legit. It's no different than any other free agent being given an offer that the original team couldn't have made/matched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 hours ago, drd23 said: Yes. He would sign an offer sheet with the franchise he wants to join and then his original team would have the option to match and keep him on an identical contract, or refuse and let him leave for nothing Thank you. That was what I thought but I also know I suck at guessing. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Pretty sure true "poison pill clauses" like those mentioned earlier are actually banned by the CBA now too after the Hutchinson fiasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, drd23 said: Pretty sure true "poison pill clauses" like those mentioned earlier are actually banned by the CBA now too after the Hutchinson fiasco yeah you can't do them anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 10:01 AM, thebestever6 said: Is that and a right to first refusal tender the same thing? Where you put a first or second round pick on a guy and he can negotiate with other teams? But if he signs you can refuse to get that pick? And apparently if you don't sign it no picks are awarded and you get nothing. Why does the tag even exist? It's like a desperate ploy to get compensation. So that's not an option in this Cousins mess? You get no compensation from the Transition Tag. It exists because it costs less money than the Franchise Tag but still gives you right of first refusal. The best use of it is if you want to sign a guy to a long-term deal, but you don't want him hitting FA. If you use the Transition Tag, it forces other teams to negotiate the contract for you but doesn't allow the player to leave without you getting a chance to match the offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Snack Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, drd23 said: Pretty sure true "poison pill clauses" like those mentioned earlier are actually banned by the CBA now too after the Hutchinson fiasco it wasn't really the Hutchinson poison pill that ended it, but the retaliation poison pill that the hawks put in Burleson's contract that he couldn't play more than 5 games in the state of Minnesota or the entire contract became fully guaranteed. After that the league saw how easy it is to have it all get out of hand lol. oh and they offered the same 7 year 49 mill to nate that hutch got the week before from minny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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