Krauser Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Wow, Nwosu has an amazing nose for the ball. This is fun to watch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Krauser said: Wow, Nwosu has an amazing nose for the ball. This is fun to watch: How would you see the Vikings using Uchenna? Possible replacement for Barr? 2-3 down LB or situational pass rush specialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, marshpit23 said: How would you see the Vikings using Uchenna? Possible replacement for Barr? 2-3 down LB or situational pass rush specialist? Nwosu is likely a mid round pick, similar to where we took Gedeon last year. He and Gedeon would be a good reserve duo, each with situational roles. A good replacement for Lamur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: Nwosu is likely a mid round pick, similar to where we took Gedeon last year. He and Gedeon would be a good reserve duo, each with situational roles. A good replacement for Lamur. Oh wow, I have him graded much higher than that, I don’t see him getting out of the second. Absolute worst case is the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauser Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 hours ago, marshpit23 said: How would you see the Vikings using Uchenna? Possible replacement for Barr? 2-3 down LB or situational pass rush specialist? From what little I’ve seen, he’s mainly an edge player who drops into coverage in shallow zones. Don’t see him covering downfield the way Barr sometimes does, but he could probably do it — he’s got very good ball skills. He’s too small to play DE on early downs for Zimmer. Best role for him might be OLB in base, either playing ahead of Gedeon or as the backup to Barr. In nickel, he could be either an edge rusher or play Barr’s spot in the A gap, with Barr moving up to DE and Griffen pushing inside to DT. I don’t think that’s a great use of draft capital for the Vikings, as he’s projected to go on day 2. I don’t think Barr is especially good as an edge rusher, much better as a blitzer, and off the LOS. Zimmer’s pass rush packages don’t necessarily depend on the DE getting wide around the corner — he likes to scheme 2nd level players like Smith as the outside rusher, and he asks his DEs to maintain contain even on 3rd down — so adding a 240 pound edge seems unlikely to improve results much. Best reason to draft him is if they plan to let Barr go after this year. I like Barr a lot, but it wouldn’t be a bad use of resources if they could replace him with a late 2nd pick and save enough on his contract to keep Hunter, Diggs and Richardson. Bottom line is he’s a fun player to watch but I’ll be surprised if the Vikings draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Thoughts on Kemoko Turay? He’s been a stand up type of edge player but he’s got good length, athletic ability, and showed well at the senior bowl. Probably not the type of guy to kick down inside in passing situations. Could also be an interesting piece in 3-3-5 nickel looks with he and Barr playing behind Richardson and Griffen. Rush one (or both) and drop the other as both have experience doing so. This is a very interesting edge class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauser Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 You mentioned Kemoko Turay: Definitely a Force Player. Justis is impressed: No medical red flags, unlike Sweat. Good size (identical H/W to Danielle Hunter at 6'5" 252). He was very effective as a situational pass rusher as a freshman (7.5 sacks), then gained weight and played full time as a senior but didn't rack up the same productivity (3.0 sacks playing more). PFF say: Quote OVERVIEW: Bendy big man at 6-foot-5, 252 pounds who has the sort of flexibility that can’t be taught. Athleticism combined with length is a deadly combo as a pass-rusher. Can execute myriad of pass-rushing moves. Won 55 percent of his 1-on-1s at the senior bowl, the 2nd-best rate of any edge there. Limited experience playing the run. Doesn’t have the strength you’d want for a typical edge setter. Had some horrible reps in run defense when offensive tackles got into his pads. Could be designated pass-rusher at next level. Agility to cross face of tackles with ease. Closes to ball carriers and quarterbacks with explosiveness when he gets clean. BOTTOM LINE: Turay is a very interesting evaluation. He was dominant as a designated pass-rusher back in 2014 and 2015 (559 snaps combined). Back then he looked more like a wide receiver though. After putting on weight and getting a more full-time role in 2017, his dominance subsided greatly. With so little information to go on, his performance at the combine will be enormous for his draft stock. Sounds like a late 2nd or 3rd round pick. If they could trade down a bit from #62 and land him early 3rd, that'd be great. Finding another pass rusher is my biggest concern for the defense right now. DT and CB are in much better shape by comparison. DE depth at this point basically comes down to hoping Bower can have a Derek Barnett style impact as a 3rd down pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Definite guy I would look at as a developmental edge guy... he’s played off the ball some too, but his talent is wasted there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kparty15 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I think that we need to target a backup NT late in the draft, but we don't really need to look at the other positions unless someone falls to us. I think we're already set at DE. I think Hunter will get an extension and be back next year. Yes Robison isn't what he used to be, but I really liked what I saw from Tashawn Bower, Stephen Weatherly, and Ifeadi Odenigbo last offseason. All 3 of those guys have a ton of potential and are only 23-24 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauser Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kparty15 said: Robison isn't what he used to be, but I really liked what I saw from Tashawn Bower, Stephen Weatherly, and Ifeadi Odenigbo last offseason. All 3 of those guys have a ton of potential and are only 23-24 years old. I agree that Hunter will get extended. But Robison isn't good anymore, they need to upgrade the DE3 spot. Robison will be worse as a DE3 (IMO) in 2018 than Jaleel Johnson as a DT3 or Mack Alexander as a CB3, the 2 spots that everyone wants to upgrade with the 1st round pick. Of the 3 young Des, the only one who I think could realistically be an upgrade from 2017 Robison in 2018 would be Bower. Maybe he's that good -- he was amazing in preseason, but that's preseason, and he was facing the bottom of the depth chart. Not impressed with Weatherly at all so far. Odenigbo did OK in preseason, again against the bottom of the depth chart late in games, but he didn't exactly light it up. So if Bower isn't roughly rookie Danielle Hunter this year, the Vikings defense be seriously limited. Adding a top 100 pick who could play as a situational edge rusher, and/or situational nickel DT, is the biggest 2018 need on defense IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 On 4/7/2018 at 2:22 AM, Krauser said: They’re here they’re here they’re here... Landry is going early to mid 1st. Right now, I have Landry to the Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Ive got Landry going earlier than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauser Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Packers would be crazy not to take Landry if he falls to 14. Matthews turns 32 in May, Perry is inconsistent and often injured, and both are overpaid compared to their production last year. Their 3rd best edge is Kyler Fackrell. They need corners too but there'll be good DBs available on day 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, Krauser said: Packers would be crazy not to take Landry if he falls to 14. Matthews turns 32 in May, Perry is inconsistent and often injured, and both are overpaid compared to their production last year. Their 3rd best edge is Kyler Fackrell. They need corners too but there'll be good DBs available on day 2. Landry to Packers is my worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauser Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Weird that Tyquan Lewis isn't a Force Player while Rasheem Green is. Compare them both to Everson Griffen: Griffen: 6’03” 3/8, 273 pounds, 32 5/8” arms, 4.66 40 (1.65 10 yard split), 7.25 3-cone, 4.36 shuttle, 32 bench, 34.0” VJ, 115” BJ Green: 6’04” 2/8, 275 pounds, 33 3/4” arms, 4.73 40 (1.65 10 yard split), 7.24 3-cone, 4.39 shuttle, 23 bench, 32.5” VJ, 118” BJ Lewis: 6'03" 2/8, 269 pounds .... 33” arms, 4.69 40 (1.57 10 yard split), 7.20 3-cone, 4.34 shuttle, 24 bench, 35.5” VJ, 127” BJ He's an even better Griffen clone: same height, 4 pounds lighter, slightly longer arms, effectively same 40 with faster 10 split, slightly faster cone and shuttle, better jumps. The 10 split and jumps are elite considering his size. Compare to Myles Garrett at 273 pounds: 1.57 10-split, 4.65 40, 127" broad jump, 41" vertical. Lewis matches him across the board except for the vert. Lewis plays the 3-tech DT in nickel pass rush sets, so he's more of the Robison replacement I've been wanting than Turay or Nwosu (or Okoronkwo -- the draft is full of 3-4 OLB types). He's also a much better pass rusher from a technical standpoint than Rasheem Green, who is clueless in terms of hand fighting. Lots of good stuff here, but I especially like this edge rush: PFF: Quote A player that has aligned in multiple spots, played inside and outside on the D-line at Ohio State. Box score stats declined in 2017, but grades did not. Still notched 44 total pressures. Incredibly reliable tackler. Missed just nine across four years, with only one miss in 2017. A tweener who looked more effective inside in college but doesn’t have the size for that at the next level. Can struggle to hold up against strength, particularly on down-blocks or double teams where he gets rocked off his spot. Has some explosiveness but lacks consistent agility and speed to attack the edge. Dominated in the Senior Bowl, with six total pressures on 22 pass- rushing snaps. BOTTOM LINE: Lewis has been a productive player for Ohio State and done so in a variety of different D-line techniques along their front. Averaged 47 total pressures and 20 defensive stops over the past two seasons. Needs to prove he can play on the edge at the next level, because he doesn’t have the size or strength to hold up inside. Was very productive in the Senior Bowl, but not so much during the week of practices. Will hit an NFL roster, and then needs to show he can still be productive at the next level. PFF says he was more effective inside. His highlight tape is full of good stuff off the edge. Not a bad combination. Late 3rd pick would be fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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