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Why I’m trading up for Bradley Chubb


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16 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Ogbah is a quality end, no doubt, but even projecting out his sacks to a full 16 games he’s still in the 6ish range which isn’t very good.  

The TFL/sack rate is great, and it shows just how great he was against the run, but his pass rush production is lacking.  Also, he’s accumulated HALF of his career sacks against the Bengals and their garbage OT’s. Take that however you like.

Now, with all of that said, I’m not looking to replace him per se.

I think we DO need an increased pass rush from the end position, but that can be aided with a 3rd down specialist.  Nassib and Orchard are in need of someone to push them to produce or we need to move on from them as they provide NOTHING when it comes to a pass rush.

Definitely agree with adding a 3rd rusher. Don't see how Chubb is the answer there just because it would be overdrafting for a meh need, but agree with the need.

The thing with Ogbah is that he was seen as being raw when he came out. He played defense in the big 12 for goodness sake. But he has been AWESOME against the run, and adequate against the pass so far. I have NO idea why people think he is done developing. He is only 24 (!) despite this being his third year in the league (God bless you and your drafting super young studs Sashi). I think it's reasonable that since he's improved both years so far, that he should improve this year as well and then hit his stride from 2019 through his second contract. Ogbah is my #1 guy to get an extension asap, because I think he'd get more on the open market than most people think. Like, 10-12M+ AAV on a 4-5 year deal.

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7 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said:

Definitely agree with adding a 3rd rusher. Don't see how Chubb is the answer there just because it would be overdrafting for a meh need, but agree with the need.

The answer, maybe not, but an answer, sure. I’m not sure Chubb is an elite end prospect though, which is my only reservation. I don’t think having 3 stud DE’s is ever a problem.

7 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said:

The thing with Ogbah is that he was seen as being raw when he came out. He played defense in the big 12 for goodness sake. But he has been AWESOME against the run, and adequate against the pass so far. I have NO idea why people think he is done developing. He is only 24 (!) despite this being his third year in the league (God bless you and your drafting super young studs Sashi).

This.  Age s such an underrated part of prospect evaluation imo.  #TremaineEdmundsmakesmuhjeanstight

7 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said:

I think it's reasonable that since he's improved both years so far, that he should improve this year as well and then hit his stride from 2019 through his second contract. Ogbah is my #1 guy to get an extension asap, because I think he'd get more on the open market than most people think. Like, 10-12M+ AAV on a 4-5 year deal.

Don’t disagree.  

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I don’t think Chubb would make Ogbah a non factor I actually think it would make the situation better. 

If you asked me if I could have one stud young talented unit on my team which unit would it be?

im picking pass rushers 

keeping those guys fresh is what wins superbowls

Thee who has a franchise QB and can rush the passer consistently has a team that is built to win every week

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55 minutes ago, brownie man said:

I don’t think Chubb would make Ogbah a non factor I actually think it would make the situation better. 

If you asked me if I could have one stud young talented unit on my team which unit would it be?

im picking pass rushers 

keeping those guys fresh is what wins superbowls

Thee who has a franchise QB and can rush the passer consistently has a team that is built to win every week

Yeah I don't share the concern that if we draft Chubb we relegate Ogbah to the bench.  He'll still get a ton of playing time it's the defensive line, every team runs a platoon of guys at that position.

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1 hour ago, brownie man said:

I don’t think Chubb would make Ogbah a non factor I actually think it would make the situation better. 

If you asked me if I could have one stud young talented unit on my team which unit would it be?

im picking pass rushers 

keeping those guys fresh is what wins superbowls

Thee who has a franchise QB and can rush the passer consistently has a team that is built to win every week

Adding to this, you could see our pass rushers were gassed by the 4th quarter. When Orchard or Nassib came in, you could see the lack of pressure since they doubled Ogbah or Garrett. 

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1 hour ago, brownie man said:

I don’t think Chubb would make Ogbah a non factor I actually think it would make the situation better. 

If you asked me if I could have one stud young talented unit on my team which unit would it be?

im picking pass rushers 

keeping those guys fresh is what wins superbowls

Thee who has a franchise QB and can rush the passer consistently has a team that is built to win every week

We could always run a 5-2-4. Just remove Peppers from the defense and add another DT (Ogbah), it isn't like Peppers being in there mattered 95% of the time so I would think a line of Ogbah/Shelton/Garrett/Chubb/Ogunjobi probably makes more of an impact than just 5% of the time.

I am kidding, but we would have seriously been better off using a pass rusher instead of Peppers every time he played 30 yards back.

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3 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

We draft Chubb and our DBs will still be an issue until we can press. Teams will continue to have the same dink and dunk approach until we can actually challenge receivers on the outside.

We might be able to improve our DBs with several other top 65 picks and 110 million in cap space though.  Maybe.

But still no to trading up from 4, for anyone.

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4 minutes ago, duke2056 said:

We might be able to improve our DBs with several other top 65 picks and 110 million in cap space though.  Maybe.

But still no to trading up from 4, for anyone.

The only way I trade up from 4 is if I get a good deal and can trade #3 and acquire more than what I gave up for the pick.

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6 hours ago, freakygeniuskid said:

Definitely agree with adding a 3rd rusher. Don't see how Chubb is the answer there just because it would be overdrafting for a meh need, but agree with the need.

Chubb = bad value.

Overpaying for a less-than-elite player at a position of marginal need.

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29 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

All of guys clamoring for Chubb, can someone tell what his one redeeming trait that justifies him being taken #4? (This should be interesting)

As opposed to Garrett (Freak athleticism/bend) and Bosa (Borderline freak athleticism/elite technique)

He is extremely discipline. He is never caught out of position. He is patient and trust his teammates to doe their job. Has great technique and uses his hands well. He is no Bosa but his hands are still exceptional for a college prospect. He may not be a freak athletically like Garrett but he is still a top shelf athlete. Great in the run game do to said discipline and technique. One of his best traits it something I feel is incredibly hard to coach into a play and that is his ability to finish. I've seen prospect after prospect be good enough to win the initial battle but more than often fail to finish the play. He will sell out on any play there is even a hint of blood in the water.

He may not be on the Garrett level but he is most certainly a Top 6 talent. He is better than Barrett and right on par with Soloman Thomas from last years draft. Thomas being a bit more powerful and better interior rusher but Chubb get the edge in bend and edge rushing ability. 

I think too many fans are falling into the trap of locking onto a favorite and completely dismissing everyone else. I wouldn't trade up from #4 for anyone. We are in a great position to land a very good player at #4 and I am now on board with considering Barkley at #4 after watching more of the Top 50 best prospects more and the other RBs where I think the gap between him and the other guys is pretty huge. 

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2 hours ago, TheeRealDeal said:

I think too many fans are falling into the trap of locking onto a favorite and completely dismissing everyone else. I wouldn't trade up from #4 for anyone.

Not me.

I do not want anyone at #4.

At #4 you should be talking about transformational talent, which Chubb is not.

Nor, for that matter, is anyone apparently in this draft class.

I want a trade down that will give me a 6-16 R1 pick this year, and more this year and next year.

I would rather have a couple more bites at the apple than 1 on a player that imho is only one of the better of this year's bad bunch.

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Imo, he is not great at anything (and this is not a shot at him) Barnett was extremely refined as a pass rusher, Solomon Thomas was uber explosive. He does a lot of things really well but not great, why is it that no one can pinpoint the one thing that sets him a part from everyone else? Hell, you can even say Duke Ejiofor is limited athletically but ultra refined as a pass rusher. Why can't we say the same about Chubb (I have no agenda against him but just asking a legit question)

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