Robert Quinn traded to Dolphins

[#39 Fan]

3 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

Guys, weve been talking about this for awhile now, I dont know why anyone is surprised. ESPECIALLY when it was already reported that he was involved in the Peters talks...

I know he played better in the second half of the season, but he still never fit into the defense. There is more to that Edge Rusher spot than just Sacks, and Quinn was less than stellar in those functions.

As far as going forward, we have Samson (who they drafted for a reason), we still have Free Agency, and then the Draft. They are clearly buiding this team like they want it to look, and doing it quickly.

This doesnt allow us to resign our own free agents, we already had that ability, now we can possibly pick up some other Free Agents

That’s how I see it also. Best of luck to Quinn in Miami! 

[stl4life07]

Losing Quinn sucks but the Rams save 11.5m which means the Rams could resign Tru now while keeping both Watkins, Joyner, and NRC. That’s gonna be scary. As for replacing Quinn, it’s not going to be as hard as you think. Longacher played well as did Ebukam. I also think the Rams will find someone I FA either via trade or signing that will be decent. Then in the draft I like some of the names that could potentially be there at pick 23. Wade defense is cornerback centric so if the Rams can keep Tru to add to Peters and keep Joyner, NRC and eventually get back Webster healthy, this defense is going to be just fine. I trust Wade who had to have a big say in getting Peters and not wanting to keep Quinn. I also trust Snead and McVay. So why start questioning or doubting them now. 

[jrry32]

41 minutes ago, stl4life07 said:

Losing Quinn sucks but the Rams save 11.5m which means the Rams could resign Tru now while keeping both Watkins, Joyner, and NRC. That’s gonna be scary.

I highly doubt that Tru is coming back.

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As for replacing Quinn, it’s not going to be as hard as you think.

Yes, it is.

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I also trust Snead and McVay. So why start questioning or doubting them now.

I question them because this is a forum for opinions. I trust them, but that doesn't mean they're infallible.

[stl4life07]

42 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

I highly doubt that Tru is coming back.

Yes, it is.

I question them because this is a forum for opinions. I trust them, but that doesn't mean they're infallible.

Tru might not be back but it doesn’t mean the Rams aren’t in a situation now that they can’t make a serious run at him. The ball will be in his court to come back to a city he claims he loves which is LA on a team he claims are like his brothers in the locker room because they grew together in the NFL with the Rams drafting them OR will he follow the highest bidder?

When I said it’s not going to be hard to replace Quinn, I think his injuries has weaken his abilities to do what he do best that allowed him to consistently beat his blocker to get to the QB. Plus in the 3-4, do you realize when he fell to the Rams in 2011, the teams that passed on him mostly was 3-4 teams and either was scared of his health concerns (with the tumor), off the field issues (got in some trouble at UNC), or they didn’t think a traditional DE in a 4-3 at UNC could stand up and play LB in a 3-4.  I trust Wade had a lot to say about this decision and not was caught blind and wanted Quinn to stay. So that’s why I said I trust Wade Snead and McVay. They have reshaped this team into contenders and the coaching is so right that they will not only find the right replacement for Quinn but coach them up to have similar impact or at least good enough where we as fans won’t be saying throughout the season “we sure miss Quinn because this guy isn’t cutting it”. At least I won’t be saying it so technically I can’t speak everyone. 

Also on that note we have seen the Rams without Quinn. Some actually thought at one time the reason why Donald was so dominant in the middle because of Quinn but then Quinn got hurt and missed significant time and Donald didn’t miss a beat. So yes I don’t think it will be as hard to replace Quinn as many think. Not saying we won’t miss him some. His presence and even impact when he gets going will be missed but it’s not like he was playing like the player he was when he was runner up to Mathis for defensive player of the year. Last time I checked Donald is the reigning defensive player of the year and he will make everyone around him better just like he has been doing already. 

[jrry32]

48 minutes ago, stl4life07 said:

Tru might not be back but it doesn’t mean the Rams aren’t in a situation now that they can’t make a serious run at him. The ball will be in his court to come back to a city he claims he loves which is LA on a team he claims are like his brothers in the locker room because they grew together in the NFL with the Rams drafting them OR will he follow the highest bidder?

The Rams shouldn't make a serious run at him. Tru is a better fit in other schemes, and if we pay him big money, it'll be tough to keep Peters in the future. I'd rather the Rams take a different path.

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When I said it’s not going to be hard to replace Quinn, I think his injuries has weaken his abilities to do what he do best that allowed him to consistently beat his blocker to get to the QB. Plus in the 3-4, do you realize when he fell to the Rams in 2011, the teams that passed on him mostly was 3-4 teams and either was scared of his health concerns (with the tumor), off the field issues (got in some trouble at UNC), or they didn’t think a traditional DE in a 4-3 at UNC could stand up and play LB in a 3-4.  I trust Wade had a lot to say about this decision and not was caught blind and wanted Quinn to stay. So that’s why I said I trust Wade Snead and McVay. They have reshaped this team into contenders and the coaching is so right that they will not only find the right replacement for Quinn but coach them up to have similar impact or at least good enough where we as fans won’t be saying throughout the season “we sure miss Quinn because this guy isn’t cutting it”. At least I won’t be saying it so technically I can’t speak everyone. 

I don't care why teams passed on Quinn. Teams also passed on J.J. Watt. Teams passed on Aaron Donald. Quinn can play 3-4 OLB, and he's the only guy on our team last year who could attack the edge. Maybe Samson is ready for a huge leap, but I'm concerned. We're likely going to have to spend a premium pick to replace Quinn.

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Also on that note we have seen the Rams without Quinn. Some actually thought at one time the reason why Donald was so dominant in the middle because of Quinn but then Quinn got hurt and missed significant time and Donald didn’t miss a beat. So yes I don’t think it will be as hard to replace Quinn as many think. Not saying we won’t miss him some. His presence and even impact when he gets going will be missed but it’s not like he was playing like the player he was when he was runner up to Mathis for defensive player of the year. Last time I checked Donald is the reigning defensive player of the year and he will make everyone around him better just like he has been doing already. 

Quinn made Donald better, and Donald made Quinn better. We need that edge presence to force the QB to step up into the pocket and take shorter drops. We're going to need to find a replacement for Quinn, and that will not be easy. We have the right people in place to find a guy, but it's nowhere near as easy as you're claiming. Look at all the teams out there that desperately need an edge presence.

[RamsFan24]

35 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

The Rams shouldn't make a serious run at him. Tru is a better fit in other schemes, and if we pay him big money, it'll be tough to keep Peters in the future. I'd rather the Rams take a different path.

I don't care why teams passed on Quinn. Teams also passed on J.J. Watt. Teams passed on Aaron Donald. Quinn can play 3-4 OLB, and he's the only guy on our team last year who could attack the edge. Maybe Samson is ready for a huge leap, but I'm concerned. We're likely going to have to spend a premium pick to replace Quinn.

Quinn made Donald better, and Donald made Quinn better. We need that edge presence to force the QB to step up into the pocket and take shorter drops. We're going to need to find a replacement for Quinn, and that will not be easy. We have the right people in place to find a guy, but it's nowhere near as easy as you're claiming. Look at all the teams out there that desperately need an edge presence.

Yes I'm with jrry on this one, I was really hoping that we could of went after one of the top tier nose tackles. Now instead of filing that gapping hole, how me have to focus on our premium pick hoping we can find/select an Edge specialist. Also I'm really sad about this move. I guess I was hoping for another full season in a 3-4 with Quinn to see if he could of continued getting more and more comfortable in the transition to Edge stand up rushing.

[stl4life07]

1 hour ago, jrry32 said:

The Rams shouldn't make a serious run at him. Tru is a better fit in other schemes, and if we pay him big money, it'll be tough to keep Peters in the future. I'd rather the Rams take a different path.

I don't care why teams passed on Quinn. Teams also passed on J.J. Watt. Teams passed on Aaron Donald. Quinn can play 3-4 OLB, and he's the only guy on our team last year who could attack the edge. Maybe Samson is ready for a huge leap, but I'm concerned. We're likely going to have to spend a premium pick to replace Quinn.

Quinn made Donald better, and Donald made Quinn better. We need that edge presence to force the QB to step up into the pocket and take shorter drops. We're going to need to find a replacement for Quinn, and that will not be easy. We have the right people in place to find a guy, but it's nowhere near as easy as you're claiming. Look at all the teams out there that desperately need an edge presence.

I get what you are saying. I’m just saying that it’s not cut and dry the Rams have moved on from Tru. Yes he doesn’t fit the scheme but he is still a good corner. He only allowed 2 tds against him the entire season. One was by Fitz and the other was by Julio. That’s not bad. What freeing up 11.5m does is allow the Rams who already said they are going to still try to resign Tru, it makes it much more doable regardless of how we all think about the move. Plus the Rams knew ahead of time that they were probably going to get rid of Quinn so trading for Peters had nothing to do with moving on from Tru. Afterall didn’t Wade have Harris Jr. while having Talib and then using a 1st round pick on Robey? So he knows you can never have enough top tier corners on one team. That’s while he had Ward a top tier safety in the same secondary. 

As for Quinn it’s going to be interesting to see who the Rams get to replace him. Spending a premium pick on a pass rusher I don’t mind. If the Rams evaluation right, which I don’t see any reason they can’t, they should find a more than capable edge rusher. All I was saying is with Donald and even Brockers, whomever will be the edge rusher their job will be a lot easier. Plus there are some guys in the draft that are talented and could make an impact regardless of whoever is already on the team. Some don’t like some of the guys that I do but when making the move to trade Quinn one has to think the Rams has guys in mind they like early in the process. Sorta like when Fisher/Snead decided to trade up in 2016 to get Goff partly because they didn’t think 2017 was a strong QB class. So Snead and company wouldn’t have made this move with Quinn if they didn’t feel like there will be more than capable guys in FA and/or the draft that could replace Quinn and the defense wouldn’t miss much of a beat. Other organizations from my point of view seem like they have no idea what they are doing but the Rams have been pushing all the right buttons as of late so I’m just sitting back and waiting to see what other moves they are going to make to continue to make this team better.

[Dr LBC]

2 hours ago, jrry32 said:

The Rams shouldn't make a serious run at him. Tru is a better fit in other schemes, and if we pay him big money, it'll be tough to keep Peters in the future. I'd rather the Rams take a different path.

I don't care why teams passed on Quinn. Teams also passed on J.J. Watt. Teams passed on Aaron Donald. Quinn can play 3-4 OLB, and he's the only guy on our team last year who could attack the edge. Maybe Samson is ready for a huge leap, but I'm concerned. We're likely going to have to spend a premium pick to replace Quinn.

Quinn made Donald better, and Donald made Quinn better. We need that edge presence to force the QB to step up into the pocket and take shorter drops. We're going to need to find a replacement for Quinn, and that will not be easy. We have the right people in place to find a guy, but it's nowhere near as easy as you're claiming. Look at all the teams out there that desperately need an edge presence.

I see where you're coming from and don't completely disagree.  But I also see as as, probably at worst, a Top 2 destination for cap-casualty edge-rushers which could include the likes of Tamba Hali and Cameron Wake (after June 1st according to OTC), both of which still have tread on the tires.

Is it ideal?  No.  But there are also several EDGE guys in this class I feel like are being severely undersold.  They're not going to be world-beaters, but they're more than capable, particularly when one of them will have the benefit of Ogletree playing to his side which means he doesn't need to be sweat as much as someone who will be asked to drop into coverage.  We'll obviously see with the workouts of some of these guys in the coming days, but for several of them if their 2016 tape is what they're able to bring to the league versus underwhelming 2017 tape, they can be capable starters: Dorance Armstrong, Kemoko Turay, Ebenezer Ogundeko (he'll require character vetting, but he was talented enough to be recruited by and earn playing time for Clemson before his dismissal), and I still like Chad Thomas (it'd be one of those things where Wade and Barry would have to sign off on his dedication to football, but he's some cleaned-up handwork away from being a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan - or basically Paul Kruger - from what I've seen). 

[jrry32]

11 minutes ago, The LBC said:

I see where you're coming from and don't completely disagree.  But I also see as as, probably at worst, a Top 2 destination for cap-casualty edge-rushers which could include the likes of Tamba Hali and Cameron Wake (after June 1st according to OTC), both of which still have tread on the tires.

Is it ideal?  No.  But there are also several EDGE guys in this class I feel like are being severely undersold.  They're not going to be world-beaters, but they're more than capable, particularly when one of them will have the benefit of Ogletree playing to his side which means he doesn't need to be sweat as much as someone who will be asked to drop into coverage.  We'll obviously see with the workouts of some of these guys in the coming days, but for several of them if their 2016 tape is what they're able to bring to the league versus underwhelming 2017 tape, they can be capable starters: Dorance Armstrong, Kemoko Turay, Ebenezer Ogundeko (he'll require character vetting, but he was talented enough to be recruited by and earn playing time for Clemson before his dismissal), and I still like Chad Thomas (it'd be one of those things where Wade and Barry would have to sign off on his dedication to football, but he's some cleaned-up handwork away from being a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan - or basically Paul Kruger - from what I've seen). 

Don't forget Obo Okoronkwo.

Speaking of, what happened with Jeremiah Attaochu? Dude had a good 2015 season and then disappeared. I know injuries have been a problem, but I'm surprised he was totally nonexistent this year.

[Dr LBC]

31 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Don't forget Obo Okoronkwo.

Speaking of, what happened with Jeremiah Attaochu? Dude had a good 2015 season and then disappeared. I know injuries have been a problem, but I'm surprised he was totally nonexistent this year.

Pretty sure he ended up in Bradley's doghouse, and that, coupled with the fact that Chris McCain just outright outplayed him, was pretty much what relegated Attaochu to ST at best when he was even a gameday active.  He was someone I figured would have been tailor-made for the LEO role because he was always more of a speed-rusher than anything else (never really developed a wide array of moves).

[jrry32]

1 minute ago, The LBC said:

Pretty sure he ended up in Bradley's doghouse, and that, coupled with the fact that Chris McCain just outright outplayed him, was pretty much what relegated Attaochu to ST at best when he was even a gameday active.  He was someone I figured would have been tailor-made for the LEO role because he was always more of a speed-rusher than anything else (never really developed a wide array of moves).

He might be worth a flier. Pernell McPhee and Trent Murphy are also intriguing players who already out there.

[Flounch]

6 hours ago, jrry32 said:

Quinn made Donald better, and Donald made Quinn better. We need that edge presence to force the QB to step up into the pocket and take shorter drops. We're going to need to find a replacement for Quinn, and that will not be easy. We have the right people in place to find a guy, but it's nowhere near as easy as you're claiming. Look at all the teams out there that desperately need an edge presence.

This season, i never saw Quinn playing really good as a 3-4 OLB. Yes the number shows that in the second half of the season sacks was coming in his way but that doesn't mean anything. 

He can only do pass rush, but i never really see him containing the outside against the run and he can't drop into coverage. I think Philipps want more versatility and Quinn salary for what he does is too expensive. 

I don't know if we can replace him easily but i think it's a win win for both of us. Quinn will regain his domination at 4-3 DE and we will find a replacement with more versatility and cheaper than him. 

 

[DistantRam]

I’ve only just seen this. A fourth and swap of sixths?

Seriously- WTF?

[Boboso20]

19 hours ago, DistantRam said:

I’ve only just seen this. A fourth and swap of sixths?

Seriously- WTF?

He’s not the same guy from 2-3 years ago plus he has a 12 million dollar salary 

[S-jax39]

I think this is a huge mistake. Even earlier in the season when he wasnt getting sacks he was getting pressure. We screwed up on this one.