Loganf89 Mock V2

[LoganF89]

My favorite part about this forum is making and seeing everyone’s mock, here is my new one, would love to see thoughts and opinions and your own as well

 

bills trade 21, 2nd, and 5th to Washington for 13 to select 1 of the top 4 QBs 

 

1) Vita Vea/Da’Ron Payne- 1 of them will still be there, honestly the only team I could see picking 1 would be San Diego, a NT will slide down, I know a lot of you would take either one at 13, well we can still get 1 of them at 21

2) Derrius Guice RB LSU-My man crush of this draft, other running backs have been killing the combine, I think he can fall to us in the 2nd, I think a team will pick Sony Michel before him, Doug Williams said himself he sees us looking to improve DL and RB early

2) DJ Chark WR LSU- I originally had him as a mid 3rd but after his combine so far I’m impressed, had an amazing 40 and he’s a guy we can use to stretch the field, remember when OBJ killed his combine and shot up the boards

4) Isaiah Wynn OG Georgia- he kept Fromm from taking a lot of abuse, now I would of liked Will Hernandez in the 2nd but with price getting hurt I think Hernandez goes earlier, Wynn can work his way into a starting roll on the line

5) Kentavius Street DE N.C. State- 6’2” 290 DE who is a freak, add him with Allen, Ionnidis, and Lanier and we have a nice YOUNG rotation at DE

5 Marcelo Ateman WR Oklahoma St- could be a diamond in the rough guy for us, he put up great numbers and made mason rudolph look amazing, he’s the forgotten man tho, james Washington takes alot of attention from him, Ateman is my dark horse at WR this year

6 Kyle Lauletta QB Richmond- if he’s drafted we better keep 3 QBs, I hear or front office likes him and he looked awesome at the senior bowl MVP at that, would be awesome for him in training camp in Richmond being he went to school there

7 Greg Stroman CB VT- mostly a depth pick TBH I wanted to go corner earlier but felt the other positions were a bigger need, I hear a lot of great things about Holsey and Moreau from last year so I feel CB may not be as big of a need as we think, if breeland signs back or we get a Corner in FA it won’t be an early position to draft

7 Auggie Sanchez ILB South Florida- good depth and special teams, if zack brown doesn’t resign I see us looking at Preston brown in FA and if not we will draft ILB a little higher, I’m interested in seeing what Harvey-Clemons can do TBH

 

i would be very happy with this draft being that it addresses many needs with great players, of course we will have to see how FA turns out and if we can resign our core guys but I’m just ready for the season to start already. Thoughts!?!?

[oldman9er]

A grade draft, just based off of the first 3 picks, says this LSU homer with an appreciation for run stopping defense. 

I think you are getting greedy with Wynn falling to the 4th, but that too would be an A selection. 

Not really impressed with Ateman, and don't see a strong need to double-dip I like your 6th rd QB choice. I don't know enough about the other two late selections to really comment. 

Your prize is a happy, pink elephant. Good stuff.  

[MikeT14]

I really don’t think Guice makes it to the 2nd round. But I’d be really happy with those first two. 

[e16bball]

Just a couple questions to think about as you move forward with future mocks. And one quick nit to pick, because I love Isaiah Wynn but I think he goes closer to pick four than round four. 

1. Trading down is great. But you can never really tell exactly who will slide to you. Even if you don’t think anyone who is currently there will take your guy (and I see at least 3 or 4 teams that could take Payne or Vea if they’re BPA), someone could move up to get in front of you. So if you’re thinking as the Redskins, if you’re moving down 8 picks, I think you have to have at least 3 and probably more like 5 guys on the board you’d be happy with. Who would your “backup plan” picks that you’d be happy with at 21 if both of the big boys got snatched from you after that trade down?

2. Chark definitely had a great combine, and clearly oldman9er knew his stuff when he told us not to sleep on him as a day 2 option. But my question is based on the fact that we already have Josh Doctson who, to this point at least, has mostly been a vertical guy. And with Alex Smith running a Gruden offense, is another guy who looks like mostly a vertical threat what we’re looking for across from Doctson? I like Chark, but I’m not sure he’s even the best “WR named D.J.” for us. 

3. One thing I like in the late rounds is guys who are one-dimensional but can do one thing at a pretty special level. Guys who can do everything ok but nothing very well seem to be a dime a dozen, but specialists can be valuable. Is there anyone you see in rounds 5-7 who could fill a very particular role — situational pass-rusher, blocking TE, kick returner, special teams ace? Guys like that can not only stick with a team but actually contribute in their narrow role. Might be worth a thought with all those late picks. 

4. Obviously it’s impossible to really take FA into account at this point — but you can make some educated guesses about what we will or won’t be able to get done and build your mock around that. Looking at this draft, it looks like we’d have made attempts to address CB, ILB, maybe another pass-rusher in FA? Is that about what you think we’ll do? 

 

Hope that didn’t come off as too critical, I like the draft and would be happy with it (actually would be overjoyed if we got Wynn in the 4th). Just wanted to throw out some things to think about for your next one!

[A TRAIN 89]

Would love a draft like this, but based on how a lot of these guys have performed at the combine, I would think they'd go earlier than you've slotted them.

However, almost all holes have been filled and if we can re-sign Zach Brown and Bashaud Breeland without overpaying, we could be a formidable team in 2018.

[oldman9er]

Good stuff, e16.

Definitely an interesting thing here

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. Chark definitely had a great combine, and clearly oldman9er knew his stuff when he told us not to sleep on him as a day 2 option. But my question is based on the fact that we already have Josh Doctson who, to this point at least, has mostly been a vertical guy. And with Alex Smith running a Gruden offense, is another guy who looks like mostly a vertical threat what we’re looking for across from Doctson? I like Chark, but I’m not sure he’s even the best “WR named D.J.” for us. 

to further investigate. I had been reading lots on here and around that Washington needs a legit deep threat. 

D.J. Moore certainly does seem to be a great YAC/WCO weapon... and while he'd be clearly better than Chark at this.. I wouldn't rigidly put Chark into a deep-threat-only category, either. 

Either would be an excellent choice if available in rd 2.. but maybe Chark brings more of a deep threat. 

[e16bball]

6 minutes ago, oldman9er said:

Good stuff, e16.

Definitely an interesting thing here

to further investigate. I had been reading lots on here and around that Washington needs a legit deep threat. 

D.J. Moore certainly does seem to be a great YAC/WCO weapon... and while he'd be clearly better than Chark at this.. I wouldn't rigidly put Chark into a deep-threat-only category, either. 

Either would be an excellent choice if available in rd 2.. but maybe Chark brings more of a deep threat. 

Yeah, that was an honest question I was posing because I really didn’t watch LSU much this year or last. I haven’t seen Chark play much, so I just saw 6’3 and a 4.34 (and his stats from last season) and saw him run yesterday with that long stride and assumed he’s mostly a vertical guy.

If he’s a guy who you’d feel good throwing slants and bubble screens and those short drag routes that Gruden loves on the bootlegs, then that’s a different kind of player altogether and I need to re-evaluate my view of him  

As an aside, thinking he’s not as great a fit for the Redskins as D.J. Moore is definitely not meant as a slight to Chark. There’s a very real possibility Moore could be #2 on my WR board (for us) behind Ridley. He profiles as exactly the kind of receiver I think we need — explosive, tough to bring down after the catch, makes contested catches. Lord, he carried that sad sack Terps team. Reminds me of Pierre Garçon, who I think we missed a lot last year. 

[oldman9er]

I like your thinking at WR, e16. I would probably have Ridley as my top rd 1 choice, while my homerish battle rages on between Chark versus Moore or perhaps even Miller in rd 2.

 

I'm sure all have watched this clip, and at around 7 minutes, Jay suggests (in my interpretation) that he wants a real deep speed threat. Can Moore... Miller.. or many others be that? I'm sure Chark can. Then, Jay goes on to make his appreciation known for well rounded WRs... so we'll see. It's a good draft in the first few rounds for that potential WR, ILB, NT that Washington will likely covet. 

 

[Ghostnote]

Some thoughts. 

Ridley had a 31 inch vertical, so if you want a guy that gets open in space horizontally, he's the guy. 

D.J. Chark, with that 40 time is looking on the back end of the 2nd round. 

I am not a big fan of D.J. Moore. Looks slow on tape. Seems like we have the same kind of receiver in Crowder. 

Ateman would be a steal in the 5th round. 

Don't be surprised if Lauletta goes to the Pats in the 2nd round early. Many, many teams are placing him at a 2nd round value even over Mason Rudolph. 

If Barkley goes first, I will find it hard to believe that the Bucs, Dolphins, Niners, Raiders and potentially the Bears pass on Guice. Too good of a talent to slide. And if the Jets land Cousins, guess who gets Guice - Jets. Guice should not last to the 2nd round. If he is there at 13, I would love to have him. But there are other good backs out there that could easily be just as good. Sony Michel, Ballage, Chubb (reminds me a lot of Portis). 

[e16bball]

I don’t think you can trust highlight reels for full evaluations, but I think you can see even in just this one video that D.J. Moore not Jamison Crowder. And not just because he has 3+ inches and 30+ pounds on Crowder. As I said above, he’s Pierre Garçon. With perhaps a little more vertical ability. 

If the video doesn’t allay concerns about speed, I think his combine numbers should. A 4.42 40 with elite jump and shuttle numbers is not the profile of a guy who’s going to struggle with speed or explosiveness. If he looks slow on tape at times, it could be sheer exhaustion from Maryland targeting him on about 85% of their pass plays 

 

[MikeT14]

Apparently Ridley's combined combine #'s put him in the bottom 10% or something?

[oldman9er]

Calvin Ridley – Alabama

HT	WT	ARM	HAND	40	20 SS	3-CONE	VERT	BROAD	BENCH
6004	189	31.675	9.125	4.43	4.41	6.88	31	110	15

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http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/04/dallas-cowboys-nfl-2018-scouting-combine-2018-nfl-draft-dj-moore-dylan-cantrell-courtland-sutton-calvin-ridley-auden-tate/2/

The consensus WR1 for the past year or so, one of Ridley’s main concerns from scouts and draftniks has been his sleight frame. He weighed in at a disappointing 189 lbs. and was not able to quiet concerns about his size.

While he was able to run above the current Dallas apex in the 40 yard dash, he posted three red scores, the most of any WR with a complete athletic profile. Though his performance at the combine must have been a disappointment for him, his game film is outstanding and should be enough to keep him in contention for top overall receiver.

It’s been assumed for months that Ridley will be unavailable for the Cowboys at 19, but after the strong performance of Moore and his own shaky performance, there could be a chance the Alabama alum could be in play for the Cowboys when they are on the clock. Expect to hear plenty of speculation and deliberation about the potential of Ridley to Dallas.

 

Some numbers, not so pretty, but I'm not all that down on Ridley. 

DJ Moore, however, has vaulted himself into a competition for top WR, imo. I wouldn't love the value of either at # 13, but I also wouldn't be upset if either was the choice there. 

[aceinthehouse]

Personally, I wouldn't touch a WR in the 1st rd. Too prone to bust. Hell, were still waiting on Doctson to develop.

I would target 1 in Free Agency, then draft 1 in rds 5, 6 or 7th rd.

giving us 2 new guys. I would target speed. Tyreek hill speed...for alex

[Doc Draper]

On 3/4/2018 at 2:40 AM, LoganF89 said:

My favorite part about this forum is making and seeing everyone’s mock, here is my new one, would love to see thoughts and opinions and your own as well

 

bills trade 21, 2nd, and 5th to Washington for 13 to select 1 of the top 4 QBs 

 

1) Vita Vea/Da’Ron Payne- 1 of them will still be there, honestly the only team I could see picking 1 would be San Diego, a NT will slide down, I know a lot of you would take either one at 13, well we can still get 1 of them at 21

2) Derrius Guice RB LSU-My man crush of this draft, other running backs have been killing the combine, I think he can fall to us in the 2nd, I think a team will pick Sony Michel before him, Doug Williams said himself he sees us looking to improve DL and RB early

2) DJ Chark WR LSU- I originally had him as a mid 3rd but after his combine so far I’m impressed, had an amazing 40 and he’s a guy we can use to stretch the field, remember when OBJ killed his combine and shot up the boards

4) Isaiah Wynn OG Georgia- he kept Fromm from taking a lot of abuse, now I would of liked Will Hernandez in the 2nd but with price getting hurt I think Hernandez goes earlier, Wynn can work his way into a starting roll on the line

5) Kentavius Street DE N.C. State- 6’2” 290 DE who is a freak, add him with Allen, Ionnidis, and Lanier and we have a nice YOUNG rotation at DE

5 Marcelo Ateman WR Oklahoma St- could be a diamond in the rough guy for us, he put up great numbers and made mason rudolph look amazing, he’s the forgotten man tho, james Washington takes alot of attention from him, Ateman is my dark horse at WR this year

6 Kyle Lauletta QB Richmond- if he’s drafted we better keep 3 QBs, I hear or front office likes him and he looked awesome at the senior bowl MVP at that, would be awesome for him in training camp in Richmond being he went to school there

7 Greg Stroman CB VT- mostly a depth pick TBH I wanted to go corner earlier but felt the other positions were a bigger need, I hear a lot of great things about Holsey and Moreau from last year so I feel CB may not be as big of a need as we think, if breeland signs back or we get a Corner in FA it won’t be an early position to draft

7 Auggie Sanchez ILB South Florida- good depth and special teams, if zack brown doesn’t resign I see us looking at Preston brown in FA and if not we will draft ILB a little higher, I’m interested in seeing what Harvey-Clemons can do TBH

 

i would be very happy with this draft being that it addresses many needs with great players, of course we will have to see how FA turns out and if we can resign our core guys but I’m just ready for the season to start already. Thoughts!?!?

nice draft! I dont see anyway Vea or Payne last to 21. Vea may go top 8 and Payne is the next guy off the board at DL. I would not be surprised to see Guice a late first round pick

I like the Wynn kid but wonder how he will do in pass protection. 

I like it when guys who were ok colege players blow up the combine. Hopefully that lets other really good football players fall to us to select. 

 

[Ghostnote]

3 hours ago, e16bball said:

I don’t think you can trust highlight reels for full evaluations, but I think you can see even in just this one video that D.J. Moore not Jamison Crowder. And not just because he has 3+ inches and 30+ pounds on Crowder. As I said above, he’s Pierre Garçon. With perhaps a little more vertical ability. 

If the video doesn’t allay concerns about speed, I think his combine numbers should. A 4.42 40 with elite jump and shuttle numbers is not the profile of a guy who’s going to struggle with speed or explosiveness. If he looks slow on tape at times, it could be sheer exhaustion from Maryland targeting him on about 85% of their pass plays 

 

Sir I watch game tape, not highlight reels. I look for things in each position to evaluate a player. 

D.J. Moore - Moderate burst off the line. Doesnt sell the route very well. Trouble getting seperation against good defenders. Is average in getting off man press covereage. Straight line speed is there, but any good corner bumping the route will negate his top end speed. Good hands in traffic. Can go and make good catches when the ball is placed right. Does not make good use of the sideline. Needs to be stronger at the point of attack and win the LOS battle with CB's. Can be slippery when he has the ball but doesnt have the lower body strength to fight for extra yards. Doesnt have a good ability to block on run plays. 

Against Ohio State he had 2 catches for 11 yards. 

Against Michigan he had 5 catches for 37 yards. 

Wisconsin he had 3 catches for 44 yards. 

Yet he puts up 200 yards against NW in a loss, and 100 against Penn State in loss. But can barely break 100 yards against Towson in a blowout. 

I feel like he could be a late 2nd rounder considering his speed, but I am just not a fan of his game tape against UCF, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan State. 

Comparing Moore to Garcon is shortsiding Garcon imo. Garcon was physical and aggressive. Attacked press coverage and was quick in and out of routes. Moore seems the opposite, especially against good CB's. 

I just don't feel him being an option for the Redskins in the 2nd round. If he is there in the 4th possibly, but just because he ran a 4.42 doesn't mean his game tape reflects that.