Oregon Ducks Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: Directors need to accept the fact that streaming is the future. They're acting like directors bitching and moaning about sound and color nearly a century ago. Guess what buttercups, film adapts and evolves. Adapt and evolve with it or drop your budget by about 97% and make some arthouse crap. In thirty years nobody is going to be going to theaters. And really, honestly, do they just think nobody watches movies after their theatrical runs are over or what? I've lost a lot of respect for him and Nolan over their petulant whining. lol this is hilarious coming from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Oregon Ducks said: lol this is hilarious coming from you. You’re hilarious coming from you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootsy Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: Directors need to accept the fact that streaming is the future. No they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, bootsy said: No they don't. why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootsy Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: why? Who are you are to tell directors what to accept. If certain directors don't like this and don't accept it then they don't. It's not up to you or HBO Max to determine that. Everyone thinks because this one thing happened that movies are going to stream like this going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, bootsy said: Who are you are to tell directors what to accept. If certain directors don't like this and don't accept it then they don't. It's not up to you or HBO Max to determine that. Everyone thinks because this one thing happened that movies are going to stream like this going forward. lol wut What is a movie without distribution and studio budget? Directors make movies Studios make them happen That's who they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootsy Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: What is a movie without distribution and studio budget? Directors make movies Studios make them happen That's who they are... lol wut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, bootsy said: lol wut Let me simplify this for you. Director is a job Studios employ directors They can just not have jobs I guess if they feel so strongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: You’re hilarious coming from you. GOT HIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootsy Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: Let me simplify this for you. Director is a job Studios employ directors They can just not have jobs I guess if they feel so strongly. I don't need you to simplify it for me. I feel one way and you feel another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, bootsy said: I don't need you to simplify it for me. I feel one way and you feel another. This is what somebody with zero evidence says. In 2018, Netflix made 15.79 BILLION dollars in profit. Disney, who had 5 of the 10 highest grossing films in 2018, made a profit of 11.05 billion in 2018. And they've got theme parks. Everything about the film industry screams, "Streaming!" Streaming cuts out the middle man, and how long does the middle man typically last when billions of dollars are on the line? Movie theaters will never go away. They will present a niche market for a dwindling percentage of people unoriginal enough to come up with a better date idea, arthouse snobs who insist on aspect ratios and fanboys who need to be around others. As far as theaters remaining a main source of film studio income? Lol. Sorry, that's not going to happen. Read the third link I posted. We both know you won't, but read it anyway. It describes who gets what in movie productions. Basically, studios get 60% of the box office return domestically, 40% internationally and 20% in China. So Endgame. Let's run the numbers. 360 million budget. Half of budget spent on advertising. 540 million spent on Endgame. 858.5 million domestic equals 515 million Worldwide (we'll split this and make it an even 30%) 582 million in profit. You've got an incredible profit there. Easily worth a theatrical release. So why, then, is Disney spending 25 million per episode on Loki, Wandavision, The Falcon and Winter Soldier, Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion... That's 1,200,000,000 dollars that won't be heading to theaters. Add in the 15 million per episode of The Mandalorian and all the upcoming Star Wars shows that will be roughly in the same price range. The reason is content. The war right now is not quality, quality, quality. It's quantity, quantity, quantity. Why do you think Disney is dumping billions of dollars into 10 new Star Wars shows and 10 new Marvel shows? That's billions of dollars not for films and film revenue, but for streaming revenue. Why do you think Disney announced the adult streaming option on Disney and are announcing an Aliens TV series and a Blade movie and on and on and on? Because they want to expand out of niche kid's streaming option and be able to be a one stop streaming option for those who limit themselves to one single streaming option. They don't give a **** about films right now. It's not box office, it's subscriptions. You look at those Endgame numbers and you wonder why they're not mass producing their own Covid bubbles to keep everyone going to theaters, but those numbers are not indicative of every movie. That was Endgame. That was 10 years in the making with many, many, many billions of dollars put into a dozen some films and it all culminated with that movie. You look at other movies and you see pretty quickly why studios are a little hesitant to make big budget movies. Rise of Skywalker for instance. 275 million budget. Half of the budget spent on advertising. 413 million dollars spent on Rise of Skywalker. 515 million domestic (equals 309 domestic profit) 558 international (equals 168 profit) That's 65 million dollars Rise of Skywalker made for Disney in its theatrical run. 65 million dollars is 65 million dollars, but if I told you you could risk 4,000 dollars over three years (from production to release) and get 650 dollars profit, would you take that risk? Considering you could have lost 1,000? Right now there's a streaming war. The prices are competitive. There's a reason for that. Not every one is going to make it. CBS All Access will die. Peacock will die. Quibi already died just like I lol'd it would. You're going to have three to five streaming giants. Disney, Netflix, Amazon and then you're going to have two lesser options, probably HBO and someone else. Everyone else who makes content will sell their content to one of those five. And once it's down to five streaming giants, subscription prices are going to go up and replace cable and other proverbial cord options. Movie theaters will come back. They will always hang around just because film is such a huge (and underrated) aspect of human life. Getting back anywhere near their pre-covid numbers? That's not going to happen. This has been coming for some time now. It has already been happening and it will continue to happen. With all the extra people in the world, with all the improvements to filmmaking, when you adjust box office returns for inflation... Seven out of ten of the highest grossing films of all time weren't in the last two decades. Six out of the ten highest grossing films weren't out of the last two decades. Half of them were made before the decade I was born (1980's). And still, in spite of the greatest effects of all-time, neither Avatar nor The Avengers: Endgame beat Gone with the Wind when inflation is factored in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=disney+2019+profithttps://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&sxsrf=ALeKk01VheXEKsvOEE5R2uppQY01uriQ8g%3A1607946352464&ei=cFDXX_fwG8eA5wLw1JaQBQ&q=netflix+2018+profit&oq=netflix+2018+profi&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAxgAMgUIABDJAzIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIABBHOgQIIxAnOgUIABCRAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAguELEDEIMBOgIILjoHCAAQyQMQQzoNCAAQsQMQgwEQFBCHAjoECAAQQzoQCAAQsQMQgwEQyQMQFBCHAjoHCAAQsQMQQzoKCAAQsQMQyQMQQzoICAAQyQMQkQI6BQgAELEDOgIIADoICAAQsQMQyQNQ1tkEWPHwBGD29gRoAHAEeACAAccBiAHgEJIBBDIuMTaYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=psy-ab https://theweek.com/articles/647394/when-buy-movie-ticket-where-does-that-money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Right now there's a streaming war. The prices are competitive. There's a reason for that. Not every one is going to make it. CBS All Access will die. Peacock will die. Quibi already died just like I lol'd it would. You're going to have three to five streaming giants. Disney, Netflix, Amazon and then you're going to have two lesser options, probably HBO and someone else. Everyone else who makes content will sell their content to one of those five. And once it's down to five streaming giants, subscription prices are going to go up and replace cable and other proverbial cord options. I 100% agree with this general point, I just want to point out that I think Peacock's model might keep them around. You can use it for free, but with ads, and that ad revenue could be big for them. I have it, but I sure as hell won't pay for it. But i'll definitely watch some stuff on there, and those are ads I can't skip (YouTube), bypass with higher fees (Hulu) or don't even get exposed to (Netflix). Those are unavoidable ads if you want the content (and at free, the price is right) and I bet they can charge a decent rate for that ad space. What it is going to come down to, is if Peacock can have enough content to have people like me put up with the ads, or pay for their premium service. If I have something on while i'm working, ads don't bother me a bit. Right now, they have some decent content, and if it stays that way, they might actually make it, albeit in a more niche role. CBS All Access will die because their programming sucks and they don't have the Universal catalog like NBC does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: I 100% agree with this general point, I just want to point out that I think Peacock's model might keep them around. You can use it for free, but with ads, and that ad revenue could be big for them. I have it, but I sure as hell won't pay for it. But i'll definitely watch some stuff on there, and those are ads I can't skip (YouTube), bypass with higher fees (Hulu) or don't even get exposed to (Netflix). Those are unavoidable ads if you want the content (and at free, the price is right) and I bet they can charge a decent rate for that ad space. What it is going to come down to, is if Peacock can have enough content to have people like me put up with the ads, or pay for their premium service. If I have something on while i'm working, ads don't bother me a bit. Right now, they have some decent content, and if it stays that way, they might actually make it, albeit in a more niche role. CBS All Access will die because their programming sucks and they don't have the Universal catalog like NBC does. Did not realize Peacock was free. Yeah, they’ll make it. CBS All Access trying to charge whatever per month with ads and their pitiful excuse for a catalog is LOL worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Sorry I hijacked the thread. Dune is gonna be bitchin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootsy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) On 12/14/2020 at 7:25 AM, Outpost31 said: This is what somebody with zero evidence says. In 2018, Netflix made 15.79 BILLION dollars in profit. Disney, who had 5 of the 10 highest grossing films in 2018, made a profit of 11.05 billion in 2018. And they've got theme parks. Everything about the film industry screams, "Streaming!" Streaming cuts out the middle man, and how long does the middle man typically last when billions of dollars are on the line? Movie theaters will never go away. They will present a niche market for a dwindling percentage of people unoriginal enough to come up with a better date idea, arthouse snobs who insist on aspect ratios and fanboys who need to be around others. As far as theaters remaining a main source of film studio income? Lol. Sorry, that's not going to happen. Read the third link I posted. We both know you won't, but read it anyway. It describes who gets what in movie productions. Basically, studios get 60% of the box office return domestically, 40% internationally and 20% in China. So Endgame. Let's run the numbers. 360 million budget. Half of budget spent on advertising. 540 million spent on Endgame. 858.5 million domestic equals 515 million Worldwide (we'll split this and make it an even 30%) 582 million in profit. You've got an incredible profit there. Easily worth a theatrical release. So why, then, is Disney spending 25 million per episode on Loki, Wandavision, The Falcon and Winter Soldier, Ms. Marvel, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion... That's 1,200,000,000 dollars that won't be heading to theaters. Add in the 15 million per episode of The Mandalorian and all the upcoming Star Wars shows that will be roughly in the same price range. The reason is content. The war right now is not quality, quality, quality. It's quantity, quantity, quantity. Why do you think Disney is dumping billions of dollars into 10 new Star Wars shows and 10 new Marvel shows? That's billions of dollars not for films and film revenue, but for streaming revenue. Why do you think Disney announced the adult streaming option on Disney and are announcing an Aliens TV series and a Blade movie and on and on and on? Because they want to expand out of niche kid's streaming option and be able to be a one stop streaming option for those who limit themselves to one single streaming option. They don't give a **** about films right now. It's not box office, it's subscriptions. You look at those Endgame numbers and you wonder why they're not mass producing their own Covid bubbles to keep everyone going to theaters, but those numbers are not indicative of every movie. That was Endgame. That was 10 years in the making with many, many, many billions of dollars put into a dozen some films and it all culminated with that movie. You look at other movies and you see pretty quickly why studios are a little hesitant to make big budget movies. Rise of Skywalker for instance. 275 million budget. Half of the budget spent on advertising. 413 million dollars spent on Rise of Skywalker. 515 million domestic (equals 309 domestic profit) 558 international (equals 168 profit) That's 65 million dollars Rise of Skywalker made for Disney in its theatrical run. 65 million dollars is 65 million dollars, but if I told you you could risk 4,000 dollars over three years (from production to release) and get 650 dollars profit, would you take that risk? Considering you could have lost 1,000? Right now there's a streaming war. The prices are competitive. There's a reason for that. Not every one is going to make it. CBS All Access will die. Peacock will die. Quibi already died just like I lol'd it would. You're going to have three to five streaming giants. Disney, Netflix, Amazon and then you're going to have two lesser options, probably HBO and someone else. Everyone else who makes content will sell their content to one of those five. And once it's down to five streaming giants, subscription prices are going to go up and replace cable and other proverbial cord options. Movie theaters will come back. They will always hang around just because film is such a huge (and underrated) aspect of human life. Getting back anywhere near their pre-covid numbers? That's not going to happen. This has been coming for some time now. It has already been happening and it will continue to happen. With all the extra people in the world, with all the improvements to filmmaking, when you adjust box office returns for inflation... Seven out of ten of the highest grossing films of all time weren't in the last two decades. Six out of the ten highest grossing films weren't out of the last two decades. Half of them were made before the decade I was born (1980's). And still, in spite of the greatest effects of all-time, neither Avatar nor The Avengers: Endgame beat Gone with the Wind when inflation is factored in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=disney+2019+profithttps://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&sxsrf=ALeKk01VheXEKsvOEE5R2uppQY01uriQ8g%3A1607946352464&ei=cFDXX_fwG8eA5wLw1JaQBQ&q=netflix+2018+profit&oq=netflix+2018+profi&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAxgAMgUIABDJAzIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIABBHOgQIIxAnOgUIABCRAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAguELEDEIMBOgIILjoHCAAQyQMQQzoNCAAQsQMQgwEQFBCHAjoECAAQQzoQCAAQsQMQgwEQyQMQFBCHAjoHCAAQsQMQQzoKCAAQsQMQyQMQQzoICAAQyQMQkQI6BQgAELEDOgIIADoICAAQsQMQyQNQ1tkEWPHwBGD29gRoAHAEeACAAccBiAHgEJIBBDIuMTaYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=psy-ab https://theweek.com/articles/647394/when-buy-movie-ticket-where-does-that-money Zero evidence? And you think because you "typed", more like copy and pasted, all this nonsense that I didn't read that makes it evidence? This is not evidence and this is not going to change my views or more importantly the industry's views. Theaters are not going to die and streaming is not going to take over. That took two lines to type original thoughts. Edited December 17, 2020 by bootsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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