Norm Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Usually we get 3 choices: Kizer Lynch, Sharp stick in the eye Tebow/manziel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 hours ago, vegas492 said: Careful, I'm told that kind of view on Kizer is "narrow minded". LOL. Really? How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 hours ago, vegas492 said: So, you think that the Browns were going to hang onto Kizer, now that they have Tyrod in house and 2 picks in the top 4 to take their quarterback of the future? You speak in terms of being "narrow minded", but the post you made here is full of it. Kizer was a 2nd round pick who some teams had at the top of their QB board less than 1 year ago. On top of that, his contract and cap number are peanuts. They wouldn't have had to release him. He was going to fetch something from someone. Your narrow-mindedness is rooted in the fact that you only see 1 specific scenario in which this trade works out. The reality is that there are multiple ways in which this trade can be a net positive for the Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernpackfan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 8:04 AM, {Family Ghost} said: I don't think Kizer has near the work ethic of a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers worked his butt off to become what he is today .. not sure Kizer is on that level when it comes to desire. Who knows, maybe the right buttons will get pushed and the lights will come on for him ... not holding my breath. Yeah, but who knows if AR would have had the same drive had he not been passed over by so many teams and then snubbed by his HOF predecessor for so many years. Maybe busting in Cleveland will put a chip on Kizer's shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 16 hours ago, Mr Anonymous said: Kizer was a 2nd round pick who some teams had at the top of their QB board less than 1 year ago. On top of that, his contract and cap number are peanuts. They wouldn't have had to release him. He was going to fetch something from someone. Your narrow-mindedness is rooted in the fact that you only see 1 specific scenario in which this trade works out. The reality is that there are multiple ways in which this trade can be a net positive for the Packers. If he was "at the top of their QB board 1 year ago"...why did he last to the second round? You contradict yourself right away...and you are speculating without any facts whatsoever. Check out the league sometime...how many teams keep 3 QBs? Cleveland has Tyrod, he's starting. They will draft their QB of the future with pick #1 or #4. That kid makes the team. Do they keep 3? Doubtful. Highly doubtful. Then when you are looking at the league, find me a starting QB who will be #3 on the depth chart the very next year who actually made the roster. Because that is the situation that Kizer was going to be in. The unknown here is what trade value Kizer had...I'll say he had very little. My opinion. His rookie year was bad. It wasn't all mechanics, it wasn't all footwork, it was a ton between the ears. And that flaw is very difficult to fix. Then with that trade you look at Randall, guy was arguably GB best corner last year. No arguably the second best corner. There's a market for those guys as you NEED AT LEAST 3 OF THEM to play an effective defense. Backup QB for a starting secondary player. Bad value back for GB. Again not against the trading of Randall, very much against the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Backup QB for a starting secondary player. Bad value back for GB. Again not against the trading of Randall, very much against the return. Seattle tried to move Sherman last year- no takers. Tried again this year - same result. They got zero value for their malcontent starting CB. Chiefs only got a pittance for their malcontent CB, Marcus Peters. Pats got nothing for Malcolm Butler, Rams got nothing for Trumaine Johnson. And while there are contract / injury issues that play a role, the end result is that those teams got diddly in exchange for losing their starting corners. All of whom are much better players than DRandall Context is always important. GB moved up in 4th and 5th - that gets them a shot at better players and/ or ammo to move up in other rounds. Many are having a hard time with the trade value here, but in comparison to what other teams got, GB did pretty good on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevein2012 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Seattle tried to move Sherman last year- no takers. Tried again this year - same result. They got zero value for their malcontent starting CB. Chiefs only got a pittance for their malcontent CB, Marcus Peters. Pats got nothing for Malcolm Butler, Rams got nothing for Trumaine Johnson. And while there are contract / injury issues that play a role, the end result is that those teams got diddly in exchange for losing their starting corners. All of whom are much better players than DRandall Context is always important. GB moved up in 4th and 5th - that gets them a shot at better players and/ or ammo to move up in other rounds. Many are having a hard time with the trade value here, but in comparison to what other teams got, GB did pretty good on this one. Yeah, Randalls max value was probably a 3rd round pick straight up. We got the equivalent of a late 4 or early 5 and a QB we liked last year that went in the 2nd round. Even if you don't like the value from the trade it's really not that far off from what you should have expected in a straight player for pick trade. Gute just happened to like this QB better than a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I've never seen a diamond in the flesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 10:32 AM, Shanedorf said: Seattle tried to move Sherman last year- no takers. Tried again this year - same result. They got zero value for their malcontent starting CB. Chiefs only got a pittance for their malcontent CB, Marcus Peters. Pats got nothing for Malcolm Butler, Rams got nothing for Trumaine Johnson. And while there are contract / injury issues that play a role, the end result is that those teams got diddly in exchange for losing their starting corners. All of whom are much better players than DRandall Context is always important. GB moved up in 4th and 5th - that gets them a shot at better players and/ or ammo to move up in other rounds. Many are having a hard time with the trade value here, but in comparison to what other teams got, GB did pretty good on this one. Sherman has a busted achilies. Calling him better than Randall is premature. Chiefs got a 2nd round pick in 2019 and a 4th round pick in 2018. Patriots will get a 3rd/4th round comp pick. Rams will get a 3rd/4th round comp pick. And comparing letting someone go in Free Agency vs. trading them away isn't an apples to apples comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 10:32 AM, vegas492 said: If he was "at the top of their QB board 1 year ago"...why did he last to the second round? You contradict yourself right away...and you are speculating without any facts whatsoever. Check out the league sometime...how many teams keep 3 QBs? Cleveland has Tyrod, he's starting. They will draft their QB of the future with pick #1 or #4. That kid makes the team. Do they keep 3? Doubtful. Highly doubtful. Then when you are looking at the league, find me a starting QB who will be #3 on the depth chart the very next year who actually made the roster. Because that is the situation that Kizer was going to be in. The unknown here is what trade value Kizer had...I'll say he had very little. My opinion. His rookie year was bad. It wasn't all mechanics, it wasn't all footwork, it was a ton between the ears. And that flaw is very difficult to fix. Then with that trade you look at Randall, guy was arguably GB best corner last year. No arguably the second best corner. There's a market for those guys as you NEED AT LEAST 3 OF THEM to play an effective defense. Backup QB for a starting secondary player. Bad value back for GB. Again not against the trading of Randall, very much against the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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