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Broncofan Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Are Tampa going 2-TE on 3rd down? If not....what a waste of resource allocation with OJ Howard. You don't spend a 1st on a TE to make him a 2-down guy. SMH what are the Florida GM's thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFM18 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Good Player. Good for the Bucs that they've secured him long term. Be interesting to see figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Forge Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I figure he's going to get 7 million a season...so I'll have to see the numbers before I see how off I am, but if that is close...the OJ Howard thing is just really strange. I thought Brate was a candidate to be traded to be honest. Put a second round tender on him and then try to trade him for a 3/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, 49erurtaza said: Very close to 7 mil per year. It's a good deal for TB, but still makes the whole situation weird with Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Brate and Howard are a really tough duo for Defenses. Add Evans and Godwin, that is a really nice set of weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, squire12 said: Brate and Howard are a really tough duo for Defenses. Add Evans and Godwin, that is a really nice set of weapons. That only applies if you are willing to put both TE's on the field. I know they started to do it a little more late - but will they do in Howard's Year 2? If so, then it makes some sense. But if not...waste of resource allocation. I know Jameis loves his TE's...but this is taking it too far, if you aren't putting both on the field like Gronk/Hernandez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFM18 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Broncofan said: That only applies if you are willing to put both TE's on the field. I know they started to do it a little more late - but will they do in Howard's Year 2? If so, then it makes some sense. But if not...waste of resource allocation. I know Jameis loves his TE's...but this is taking it too far, if you aren't putting both on the field like Gronk/Hernandez. Are the Bucs confident in Howard? Signing Brate to a six year deal suggest they want him around. Howard didn't have the best Rookie Year but got a few TD's. If they're not planning on playing 2 TE then is sort of suggests insurance policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 ... that's a lot of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, PFM18 said: Are the Bucs confident in Howard? Signing Brate to a six year deal suggest they want him around. Howard didn't have the best Rookie Year but got a few TD's. If they're not planning on playing 2 TE then is sort of suggests insurance policy. TE’s take time. Even Gronk took a year to develop. Howard is a do it all TE who can win inline and in the move position. That’s why he went earliest in the most talented TE draft possibly ever (not exaggerating). But you don’t spend 1.18 on a TE and then use him for 2-downs. If they don’t use 2-TE sets it’s a colossal waste of resources. And I love Brate as a pass catching TE. But Brate was a RFA not a UFA. So they could have offered him a 2nd rd tag and then traded him or wait to see what their best plan was in the offseason next year This is baffling to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: ... that's a lot of years. Yah does the structure seem a bit.. bizarre to any one else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 They have howard and brate was an RFA.... why give him a big money deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFM18 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Broncofan said: TE’s take time. Even Gronk took a year to develop. Howard is a do it all TE who can win inline and in the move position. That’s why he went earliest in the most talented TE draft possibly ever (not exaggerating). But you don’t spend 1.18 on a TE and then use him for 2-downs. If they don’t use 2-TE sets it’s a colossal waste of resources. And I love Brate as a pass catching TE. But Brate was a RFA not a UFA. So they could have offered him a 2nd rd tag and then traded him or wait to see what their best plan was in the offseason next year This is baffling to say the least. Totally agree. I think we've yet to see the best of him in the NFL. Certainly expect a better sophomore season from him. (To quote NFL analysts) It just suggests the Bucs are not totally confident on Howard and they want to keep Brate around. That or we'll start seeing a lot more 2 TE sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Brate is more of an H-Back type of TE. We move him around quite a bit; even out wide. Howard is a traditional TE that we line up next to our tackles. We run two TE sets as much as anyone in the league. And Brate is a boss when we get into the redzone. He's only the 13th highest paid TE in the NFL. And the way his guaranteed money is, we can trade/cut him (if we want) by the time Howard is ready for his second contract. It's really a good contract. And we still have ~$50M in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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