Darbsk Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, holyghost said: Yeah, they talked that up at first but thankfully came to their senses. He's not a nose. He's a stout 3T from what I saw/see. With some flexibility to play along side Hurst on passing downs. It's a better group as far as roles with Price here instead of Hester. On paper. Agree with your thoughts about Hall playing 3T but TBH I don't know enough about Price to know if he's an upgrade over Hester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyghost Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Darbsk said: Agree with your thoughts about Hall playing 3T but TBH I don't know enough about Price to know if he's an upgrade over Hester. Well, that's an easy one. Hester is an inconsistent replaceable player at best. And the 3rd 3T on the depth chart where there's only one mediocre nose. Bad fit, non descript player. Upgrade? As if Hester is good. It's a sidegrade. You can do those all day long on the waiver wire. At least the roles look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 updated in OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 I didn't see we brought Cowser and Sharpe back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 There have been so many ins and outs, benchings, trades and cuts does Jon Gruden even know the depth chart at this point?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceman80 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 14 hours ago, Darbsk said: There have been so many ins and outs, benchings, trades and cuts does Jon Gruden even know the depth chart at this point?!?!? Just lends more evidence to the argument that there seems to be no general direction. Like our moves the past week. Our pass rush is the worst in the league and it's supposedly clear we're tanking. So we cut Irvin and sign 2 situational pass rushers? I dont get why if we're tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, riceman80 said: Just lends more evidence to the argument that there seems to be no general direction. Like our moves the past week. Our pass rush is the worst in the league and it's supposedly clear we're tanking. So we cut Irvin and sign 2 situational pass rushers? I dont get why if we're tanking. Its possible that we're just inept. Crazy thought, I know. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 12 hours ago, Silver&Black88 said: Its possible that we're just inept. Crazy thought, I know. ? Or he's bringing in guys who actually are going to try and are hungry to play and have jobs. Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, true2form said: Or he's bringing in guys who actually are going to try and are hungry to play and have jobs. Nah right we need guys who buy into the program. Ealy is still young, and J Smith in his prime.... our pass rush worst in the league, I don't mind trying out two guys under 30 for the rest of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 hours ago, true2form said: Or he's bringing in guys who actually are going to try and are hungry to play and have jobs. Nah If your vets (Captains no less) aren't trying and aren't hungry to play and have jobs halfway through the season, is that not inept? Not even hating, I've just never seen a team turn on a coach this quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Silver&Black88 said: If your vets (Captains no less) aren't trying and aren't hungry to play and have jobs halfway through the season, is that not inept? Not even hating, I've just never seen a team turn on a coach this quickly Eh I think a lot of them know they won't be here next year because they aren't good enough. They should play hard for auditioning for the league. If they want to cry and give up, it reflects badly on them as players and professionals. I don't care who your head coach is. If you give up, you're worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Eh I think a lot of them know they won't be here next year because they aren't good enough. They should play hard for auditioning for the league. If they want to cry and give up, it reflects badly on them as players and professionals. I don't care who your head coach is. If you give up, you're worthless. I don't disagree but you need your team to be motivated. Its not all on the staff, but you can't deny they're a big reason for the lack of morale. To some extent I can't blame the players for not being enthusiastic. But on game day, you be a pro and come to play ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Silver&Black88 said: I don't disagree but you need your team to be motivated. Its not all on the staff, but you can't deny they're a big reason for the lack of morale. To some extent I can't blame the players for not being enthusiastic. But on game day, you be a pro and come to play ball. And maybe that's the difference for me. I'm coming at it from a team standpoint, not a players. I think Carr even said in one of his pressers that they're finding out who is really a "Raider". The players either want to be there and be a part of building something or they don't. Gruden and the staff see who is who. Might explain some of the benching's, lack of play time, retirements, etc. The vets thought they had a chance to win(didn't we all). Things went south fast, so why not go all in on building this thing from the ground up? I understand why the vets wouldn't be happy. Unfortunately for them, this is not about them at all. They are stopgaps. Means to an end. I'm sure Gruden sold them on coming to the Raiders and helping them win. I'm sure everyone was optimistic in the offseason. Doesn't mean Gruden lied to them. Things just didn't work out and this season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 11 hours ago, true2form said: And maybe that's the difference for me. I'm coming at it from a team standpoint, not a players. I think Carr even said in one of his pressers that they're finding out who is really a "Raider". The players either want to be there and be a part of building something or they don't. Gruden and the staff see who is who. Might explain some of the benching's, lack of play time, retirements, etc. The vets thought they had a chance to win(didn't we all). Things went south fast, so why not go all in on building this thing from the ground up? I understand why the vets wouldn't be happy. Unfortunately for them, this is not about them at all. They are stopgaps. Means to an end. I'm sure Gruden sold them on coming to the Raiders and helping them win. I'm sure everyone was optimistic in the offseason. Doesn't mean Gruden lied to them. Things just didn't work out and this season is over. I can see that part if it as well, you bring up good points. I'll counter and say that part of the reason vets are so unhappy is not just lack of success, but the systematic dismantling of the roster DURING the season. This truly is something special. What he said to them previously is irrelevant, the current perceived lack of both accountability and coherent roster strategy would draw the ire of many players. Sure you can look at it with Silver & Black shades as a fan, but this is their job and life. The fact that he completely mismanaged the team this offseason (blatantly evidenced by conflicting courses of action between offseason and regular season) has totally constructed the dumpster fire that is our current situation. I can't remember ever seeing a team shuffling players in and out like this week by week. It can be perceived that we don't know what we're doing. Because I can't accept that this was the vision the whole time -- there's been so many drastic twist and turns. In the end, I'm a Raider fan and I want this to work out. But it sure looks to me like our organization screwed up big time this year. We're in a position to rebound, thankfully, but based on this past year, its hard to have a lot of confidence or faith going forward regardless of if you're a fan or player. Let's see how this thing plays out. Good debate, man. Thanks for not being hostile.I should have been more chill earlier. 👊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I figured since a lot of the conversation has moved to the off-season I would do a quick mock of the off-season. Now a lot will change in the coming months I believe the draft will look a lot different. Thhis is just a quick one to show how different this team can and most likely will look next year. Our draft capital and cap space are unreal if we cut some dead weight or players that do not fit our scheme. There will also be a few talented players cut because they will lose faith in Gruden. The FA players values are averages of contracts and the draft slot pay is based on 2018 so they will be a little more expensive. I also kept Carr on the team and we will need to sign a few more players. Have fun and discuss. Signed or restructured Ryan Fitzpatrick QB 12000000 Ronald Darby CB 10000000 Earl Thomas S 10000000 Brandon Graham EDGE 9000000 Jared Veldheer OT 8500000 Frank Clark EDGE 6500000 John Brown WR 6500000 C.J. Mosley LB 6000000 Chris Hogan WR 6000000 Adam Humphries WR 6000000 Rashaan Melvin CB 5500000 Ja'Wuan James OT 5500000 Jared Cook TE 5250000 Gabe Jackson G 4500000 Tevin Coleman RB 4500000 Leon Hall CB 1500000 107250000 Draft Nick Bosa Edge 1a Devin White LB 1b Deionte Thompson S 1c Josh Allen LB 2 Hakeem Butler WR 3 Trevon Coney LB 4 Max Scharping T/G 5 Dontavius Russell DL 6 Gary Jennings WR 7a Chris Lindstrom G 7b Roster Derek Carr QB 22500000 Ryan Fitzpatrick QB 12000000 Kelechi Osemele G 10200000 Rodney Hudson C 10017000 Ronald Darby CB 10000000 Earl Thomas S 10000000 Brandon Graham EDGE 9000000 Jared Veldheer OT 8500000 Frank Clark EDGE 6500000 John Brown WR 6500000 C.J. Mosley LB 6000000 Chris Hogan WR 6000000 Adam Humphries WR 6000000 Nick Bosa Edge 5942360 Rashaan Melvin CB 5500000 Ja'Wuan James OT 5500000 Jared Cook TE 5250000 Justin Ellis DL 4750000 Gabe Jackson G 4500000 Tevin Coleman RB 4500000 Karl Joseph S 3781373 Kolton Miller OT 3061664 Gareon Conley CB 2854817 Devin White LB 2695316 Deionte Thompson S 2006550 Leon Hall CB 1500000 Josh Allen LB 1376000 P.J. Hall DL 1071243 Brandon Parker OT 930758 Andrew DePaola LS 905000 Eddie Vanderdoes DL 869303 DeAndre Washington RB 787299 Arden Key EDGE 776594 Nick Nelson CB 744669 Hakeem Butler WR 744606 Marquel Lee LB 708426 Trevon Coney LB 662849 Maurice Hurst DL 649761 Nicholas Morrow LB 647500 Johnny Townsend P 624389 Chris Warren RB 570000 Max Scharping T/G 559761 Dontavius Russell DL 518252 Gary Jennings WR 509602 Chris Lindstrom G 502348 189217440 Offense Carr QB Coleman RB Brown WR Humphries Slot Miller LT KO LG Hudson C Jackson RG Veldheer RT Hogan WR Cook TE Defense Base Brandon Graham DE Hurst DT Hall DT Bosa DE White WLB Mosley MLB Allen SLB Thompson SS Conley CB Darby CB Thomas FS Defense Nickel Key DE Graham DT Hurst DT Bosa DE White LB Allen LB Thompson SS Melvin CB Conley CB Darby CB Thomas FS 2019 2018 1 C 1 C 5 CB 5 CB 4 Edge 2 DE 5 DT 6 DT 0 FB 1 FB 4 G 5 G 6 LB 8 LB 2 QB 2 QB 3 RB 3RB 3 S 4 S 4 T 4 T 1 TE 3 TE 5 WR 6 WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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