cannondale Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I always get a kick out of the "we are a draft and develop" team. As if there are teams out there that pass on their yearly allotted 7 picks. It's also no longer an excuse not to delve into FA as it once was. It may require a team to be a bit more cut throat - see the Jordy Nelson situation - and New England every year - but it's a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoSixFive Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, cannondale said: I always get a kick out of the "we are a draft and develop" team. As if there are teams out there that pass on their yearly allotted 7 picks. It's also no longer an excuse not to delve into FA as it once was. Draft and develop is more about allowing rookies or even UDFAs to fill roles/holes where other teams would get a veteran to plug the gap. I'd say there is also a slightly higher priority on re-signing core players, though the difference there is probably too subtle to prove. The level to which you go pure D&D will depend each year on the status of the team as a whole (and that years available pool of vets and their perceived talent-to-cost ratio), there is no need for GMs to paint themselves in a corner.. I'm not advocating a TT level of D&D, just saying what it is about, is a little different than you are portraying. Of course all teams value their draft picks, how else do you restock a roster year after year. Finally draft and develop is not an 'excuse' for anything as you suggest, it is a philosophy on how to run a team over time, and different teams have varying ideas about how much of each ingredient goes into the recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyponGrey Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 hours ago, CWood21 said: If you screw up the drafting and developing process, you have to work overtime to correct the situation. If you didn't screw up the situation, you don't feel the need to correct the situation. You can point to BB as someone whose willing to make other transactions to fix your roster, I'll point to his mediocre drafting history. Very fair. I'd say after many successful years, TT hit a few years were something went South. Now we have Gute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 From his team bio. Good stuff Pettine comes to Green Bay after working as a consultant for the Seattle Seahawks last season. He brings five years of experience as a defensive coordinator for the New York Jets (2009-12) and Buffalo Bills (2013) as well as two years as head coach for the Cleveland Browns (2014-15). In his first season in Cleveland, he guided the Browns to their most victories since 2007 as they led the league in opponent passer rating (74.1) and ranked No. 2 in interceptions (21). In his five years as a defensive coordinator, Pettine led his units to a top-10 finish in total yards allowed and passing yards allowed in all five seasons. In 2013, he helped the Bills rank No. 2 in the NFL with a franchise-record 57 sacks as Buffalo was the lone team in the league to have three players each register 10-plus sacks. During his four seasons with the Jets, the defense ranked No. 1 in the NFL over that span in opponent passer rating (71.0), completion percentage (52.6) and passing yards per game (186.3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Shanedorf said: From his team bio. Good stuff Pettine comes to Green Bay after working as a consultant for the Seattle Seahawks last season. He brings five years of experience as a defensive coordinator for the New York Jets (2009-12) and Buffalo Bills (2013) as well as two years as head coach for the Cleveland Browns (2014-15). In his first season in Cleveland, he guided the Browns to their most victories since 2007 as they led the league in opponent passer rating (74.1) and ranked No. 2 in interceptions (21). In his five years as a defensive coordinator, Pettine led his units to a top-10 finish in total yards allowed and passing yards allowed in all five seasons. In 2013, he helped the Bills rank No. 2 in the NFL with a franchise-record 57 sacks as Buffalo was the lone team in the league to have three players each register 10-plus sacks. During his four seasons with the Jets, the defense ranked No. 1 in the NFL over that span in opponent passer rating (71.0), completion percentage (52.6) and passing yards per game (186.3). like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 We are past the point of draft and develop as we have few holes on this team, not many holes like we did back in 2005 and 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Shanedorf said: From his team bio. Good stuff Pettine comes to Green Bay after working as a consultant for the Seattle Seahawks last season. He brings five years of experience as a defensive coordinator for the New York Jets (2009-12) and Buffalo Bills (2013) as well as two years as head coach for the Cleveland Browns (2014-15). In his first season in Cleveland, he guided the Browns to their most victories since 2007 as they led the league in opponent passer rating (74.1) and ranked No. 2 in interceptions (21). In his five years as a defensive coordinator, Pettine led his units to a top-10 finish in total yards allowed and passing yards allowed in all five seasons. In 2013, he helped the Bills rank No. 2 in the NFL with a franchise-record 57 sacks as Buffalo was the lone team in the league to have three players each register 10-plus sacks. During his four seasons with the Jets, the defense ranked No. 1 in the NFL over that span in opponent passer rating (71.0), completion percentage (52.6) and passing yards per game (186.3). Have to like that. 2013 ( Pettine's only season with BUF) was also Kyle Williams only season where got got double digit sacks (10.5), with 5.5 being his high for all other years. Hopefully he can get that type of productions out of Daniels, Clark, Wilk, Adams, ect. Jerry Hughes has also only had one other 10+ sack season other than when Pettine coached him in 2013. ( 2014 under the Schwartz). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatZepp Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Joe said: We are past the point of draft and develop as we have few holes on this team, not many holes like we did back in 2005 and 2006. We were also on the brink of salary cap he’ll back then with a lot of bad contracts and dead money. Mike Sherman did a poor job finding talent and handing out money, his failures though ended up putting us down the path that got Rodgers into Green Bay but man I do not miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Here's CheeseheadTV with some film breakdown on Biegel, Fackrell, Gilbert and Odom too https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/film-review-kyler-fackrell-reggie-gilbert-and-vince-biegel-451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just now, Shanedorf said: Here's CheeseheadTV with some film breakdown on Biegel, Fackrell, Gilbert and Odom too https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/film-review-kyler-fackrell-reggie-gilbert-and-vince-biegel-451 I don't know if I want to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I demand and command you to watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollino14 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 What do you think is the ceiling of the D is for this year, and where do you think we end up? I think we're going to rely on younger players making the next step a bit more than other teams, but there are a lot of high upside players in the secondary mixed with a good group of vets. We're relying a lot more than I'd like on Perry and Clay, and idt the ceiling of our backup EDGE rushers are all that high; but I truly believe the defensive line is gonna flat out dominate which will take some pressure off the EDGE guys. Pettine has a great track record, and in some cases with less. I think I'm going to hedge my bet a bit here and say that I don't believe this group is a significant weakness. I think we'll have a group that is good enough to contend, and will make a lot of big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, pollino14 said: What do you think is the ceiling of the D is for this year, and where do you think we end up? I think we're going to rely on younger players making the next step a bit more than other teams, but there are a lot of high upside players in the secondary mixed with a good group of vets. We're relying a lot more than I'd like on Perry and Clay, and idt the ceiling of our backup EDGE rushers are all that high; but I truly believe the defensive line is gonna flat out dominate which will take some pressure off the EDGE guys. Pettine has a great track record, and in some cases with less. I think I'm going to hedge my bet a bit here and say that I don't believe this group is a significant weakness. I think we'll have a group that is good enough to contend, and will make a lot of big plays. If you can tell me right now that Perry and Matthews will each play at least 14 out of 16 regular season games and be healthy for the playoffs, I'll buy into a top 15 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, pollino14 said: What do you think is the ceiling of the D is for this year, and where do you think we end up? If the defense stays relatively healthy and two of Kevin King, Alexander, and Jackson turn into Good to great starters I see no reason this defense can't potentially reach top 10. That's a lot to ask for though. The D line this year should be downright dominant its really up to the secondary to hold their end of the bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 https://www.packers.com/video/pettine-players-bought-in-from-the-beginning Nice to listen to Pettine speak. Especially his priority for an interior pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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