Mike Pettine Defense

[Packerraymond]

1 minute ago, CWood21 said:

Personally, I don't think Denzel Ward will be on the board.  I mentioned a while back, you have to go back to 2009 the last time the first CB went off the board AFTER the 11th pick.  That's not really good odds for him to fall to our pick.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was gone. Still unless you consider Davenport or Landry elite, Chubb certainly won't be there.

[SSG]

7 hours ago, Joe said:

Epic understatement. He's everything we've wanted him to be. 

I also agree that our LB's aren't the worst either. I think we're a pass rushing OLB away from it being a complete group. If our secondary can stay healthy... I'm not opposed to drafting a guy or two, but I don't think they're as bad as one would think.

We're going to need a lot more than just health from our secondary as the group as a whole has very little talent.  At CB, we've got one guy who would make every roster in the league.  Behind him there is little to no talent.  I'm not sure they'd make 30 of the 32 rosters.  Healthy or not, its going to an ugly season if our GM continues to sign on his hands and ignore the CB position.  We can't go into the season needing to depend on practice squad caliber players to play like quality NFL starters.  

[CWood21]

6 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Wouldn't surprise me if he was gone. Still unless you consider Davenport or Landry elite, Chubb certainly won't be there.

Denzel Ward doesn't grade out as an elite CB.  He's a tier behind Marshon Lattimore as a prospect, and quite frankly without the hamstring concerns it's not even close.  In terms of grade, I have him a smidge ahead of Harold Landry.

[Chinaski_86]

On 18-3-2018 at 3:16 PM, CWood21 said:

That part worries me.

I looked at the Browns 2015 numbers because that was the one season where Pettine didn't have a CB that he could leave on an island. Joe Haden missed most of the season. The Browns secondary really struggled that year. 22nd in yards allowed, 29th in TD allowed and 21st in INT (the year before they were 23rd in yards allowed but 6th in TD allowed and 2nd in INT).

That 2015 defense still had Donte Whitner, Tashaun Gipson, Tramon Williams, Karlos Dansby, Danny Shelton and Paul Kruger. 

[AlexGreen#20]

1 hour ago, Chinaski_86 said:

I looked at the Browns 2015 numbers because that was the one season where Pettine didn't have a CB that he could leave on an island. Joe Haden missed most of the season. The Browns secondary really struggled that year. 22nd in yards allowed, 29th in TD allowed and 21st in INT (the year before they were 23rd in yards allowed but 6th in TD allowed and 2nd in INT).

That 2015 defense still had Donte Whitner, Tashaun Gipson, Tramon Williams, Karlos Dansby, Danny Shelton and Paul Kruger. 

Gipson is the only player on that list that is really a standout. 

[Joe]

13 hours ago, SSG said:

We're going to need a lot more than just health from our secondary as the group as a whole has very little talent.  At CB, we've got one guy who would make every roster in the league.  Behind him there is little to no talent.  I'm not sure they'd make 30 of the 32 rosters.  Healthy or not, its going to an ugly season if our GM continues to sign on his hands and ignore the CB position.  We can't go into the season needing to depend on practice squad caliber players to play like quality NFL starters.  

yeah, we're better off at the position than you think we are. Our secondary has had to take on way too much of the workload because of a lack of a pass rush. We've been in the bottom half of the league in sacks the last three seasons with two of those seasons being bottom 5 of the league. 

[Packerraymond]

40 minutes ago, Joe said:

yeah, we're better off at the position than you think we are. Our secondary has had to take on way too much of the workload because of a lack of a pass rush. We've been in the bottom half of the league in sacks the last three seasons with two of those seasons being bottom 5 of the league. 

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

[cannondale]

So in trying to understand the CB puzzle, we have one lead. What does Kyle Fuller have that the other guys in FA didn't have ? Right now, that's all we have to go off of. Obviously Gute would like to fill that hole in FA, but it seems like Fuller is the only guy we have shown interest in thus far. He is bigger at 6'-0". It's not like he would have been a bargain.

No way Fuller was Plan A, B and C if you intended to fill that hole via FA. It's puzzling to me. Any ideas ?

[Joe]

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

got a link to that?

[Joe]

nvm. Looking at the total defense, my bad.

 

I still think our secondary's better than we give it credit.

[squire12]

2015 season

Total Sacks Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Denver	773	221	994	52.0	351	82	14	321	74	4	25	13	1
2	New England	743	305	1048	49.0	358	81	12	176	51	0	24	9	2
3	Pittsburgh	795	284	1079	48.0	311	76	17	282	70	2	18	13	0
4	Kansas City	769	165	934	47.0	290	89	22	477	90	4	13	7	2
5	Houston	721	309	1030	45.0	311	90	14	180	50	2	14	11	1
6	Carolina	713	336	1049	44.0	302	81	24	301	46	4	24	15	1
7	Detroit	799	214	1013	43.0	279	57	9	103	31	1	17	9	1
	Green Bay	755	224	979	43.0	256	70	16	198	45	2	13	6	1
	Minnesota	827	186	1013	43.0	283	64	13	215	91	2	12	9	1
10	Cincinnati	730	307	1037	42.0	288	83	21	202	37	1	11	7	0
11	LA Rams	801	331	1132	41.0	236	68	13	182	58	1	22	13	2
12	Tennessee	734	291	1025	39.0	271	56	11	164	45	1	15	8	1
	NY Jets	702	321	1023	39.0	278	73	18	191	31	0	17	12	0

 

2016 season

Total Sacks Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Arizona	789	199	988	48.0	374	66	14	263	66	2	25	14	1
2	Carolina	736	331	1067	47.0	270	68	17	204	37	1	19	10	2
3	Denver	785	259	1044	42.0	228	79	14	367	51	3	17	13	1
	Seattle	653	450	1103	42.0	272	69	11	72	31	0	18	8	1
5	Minnesota	672	315	987	41.0	310	58	14	253	100	2	13	13	2
6	Green Bay	744	207	951	40.0	295	85	17	209	44	0	10	8	0
	Tennessee	715	224	939	40.0	278	75	12	68	33	0	4	6	1
8	Buffalo	773	337	1110	39.0	253	73	12	207	49	1	13	6	2
9	Pittsburgh	742	289	1031	38.0	259	79	13	133	58	0	18	10	1
	Tampa Bay	798	185	983	38.0	234	81	17	234	53	4	16	12	0
	Washington	771	317	1088	38.0	253	74	13	186	79	0	19	8	0
12	Chicago	798	214	1012	37.0	230	68	8	73	25	1	13	3	1

 

2017 season

Total Sacks Leaders

		TACKLES			SACKS		INTERCEPTIONS					FUMBLES
RK	TEAM	SOLO	AST	TOTAL	SACK	YDSL	PD	INT	YDS	LONG	TD	FF	REC	TD
1	Pittsburgh	713	229	942	56.0	393	77	16	184	41	0	13	6	0
2	Jacksonville	750	200	950	55.0	356	77	21	294	67	2	17	12	5
3	Carolina	637	322	959	50.0	304	53	10	78	40	0	17	11	1
4	LA Rams	741	234	975	48.0	324	94	18	401	69	3	17	10	0
5	Tennessee	732	304	1036	43.0	272	71	12	154	33	0	11	9	1
	LA Chargers	831	289	1120	43.0	261	75	18	302	90	2	13	9	2
7	Chicago	781	228	1009	42.0	277	65	8	253	90	2	17	14	1
	New England	801	225	1026	42.0	299	65	12	114	39	0	9	6	0
	New Orleans	706	254	960	42.0	287	99	20	192	33	2	19	5	1
	Washington	757	334	1091	42.0	272	87	16	194	96	2	12	7	0
11	Cincinnati	770	346	1116	41.0	278	73	11	339	101	3	4	3	0
	Baltimore	765	215	980	41.0	280	80	22	385	63	3	17	12	3
13	Atlanta	713	305	1018	39.0	296	64	8	108	43	0	13	8	3
	Seattle	743	320	1063	39.0	269	77	14	212	78	3	16	11	1
15	Dallas	741	281	1022	38.0	321	60	10	98	25	1	27	11	0
	Philadelphia	708	227	935	38.0	246	87	19	278	59	1	16	12	5
17	Green Bay	780	299	1079	37.0	252	62	11	54	21	1	10	11	1
	Minnesota	653	289	942	37.0	251	69	14	200	36	1	11	5	0
	Arizona	785	198	983	37.0	255	72	15	258	82	1	18	6	1
20	Detroit	786	242	1028	35.0	228	77	19	253	37	3	19	13	2

[Dubz41]

Just to point out how a statistic can misrepresent reality.  Look who we are tied with in 2017 for sacks.  Anyone who watched football last year isn't going to mistake the vikes pass rush with our pass rush.  Hell, in the last three years the vikes only have ONE more sack than we do.  Don't try to tell me our pass rush is ok because of where we are statistically?!?  Our pass rush is sadly ineffective.

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

The fact is, our sack total is not indicative of our pass rush.

[Spartacus]

26 minutes ago, Dubz41 said:

Just to point out how a statistic can misrepresent reality.  Look who we are tied with in 2017 for sacks.  Anyone who watched football last year isn't going to mistake the vikes pass rush with our pass rush.  Hell, in the last three years the vikes only have ONE more sack than we do.  Don't try to tell me our pass rush is ok because of where we are statistically?!?  Our pass rush is sadly ineffective.

The fact is, our sack total is not indicative of our pass rush.

I agree with this. I think our biggest issue has been the complete lack of consistency. Just look at last year. First game of the year against the Seahawks we only had 3 sacks but that was one of the most dominant front 7 performances I have seen in a long time from this defense. 

The very next game we also had 3 sacks against the Falcons but our pass rush was almost non-existent. Sacks don't mean crap in the grand scheme of a whole seasons worth of defensive performance. All I care about is did we make the QB uncomfortable in the pocket. Too often QBs were way too comfortable going up against this Packers pass rush. 

[vegas492]

That Seattle offensive line was hot garbage.  They allowed that kind of pressure every week.  GB's front had very little to do with the pressure that day.  All they really had to do was simply show up.

[Spartacus]

6 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

That Seattle offensive line was hot garbage.  They allowed that kind of pressure every week.  GB's front had very little to do with the pressure that day.  All they really had to do was simply show up.

Yes, but they did and dominated yet they still had 3 sacks. You can't take away a dominant defensive performance because of your opponent  although you can take a look at the whole body of work which wasn't great.  The same amount of sacks that happened the very next week in Atlanta which was  a crapshow for GB pass rush. Sacks don't mean crap if there also isn't enough pressure on non-sack plays.