MrOaktown_56 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Trading patterson. Why god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bob Dobalina Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Trading patterson. Why god? Because Grant is coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Trading patterson. Why god? Because we need cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 hours ago, daineraider said: Macks assignment on that play was to not drop into coverage. He read the screen and played it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Also hard to say Patterson is worth the money he is getting. Easy move for Oakland to get rid of him cant expect to get any much in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Has anyone been keeping track of 2019's Cap situation? We've pretty much signed this years roster, minus a few minor moves and Mack's extension. But we still have 77 million available next year (And that's with Penn with a 10 mil hit, I'm assuming he may or may not be on the team at that price next year). It's not going to be the best in the league but if we can trust tradition, Mack's biggest cap hit year will be in year 3 or 4. Meaning we may still have 60 million in cap space next year. If we can continually retain our biggest hitters and still have 50-70 mil in space each year, we're in a pretty good spot year in and year out. It's a little looked at area, but despite Reggie's flaws (and they're beginning to show more and more) this team is really well managed in this regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyghost Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, NickButera said: Has anyone been keeping track of 2019's Cap situation? We've pretty much signed this years roster, minus a few minor moves and Mack's extension. But we still have 77 million available next year (And that's with Penn with a 10 mil hit, I'm assuming he may or may not be on the team at that price next year). It's not going to be the best in the league but if we can trust tradition, Mack's biggest cap hit year will be in year 3 or 4. Meaning we may still have 60 million in cap space next year. If we can continually retain our biggest hitters and still have 50-70 mil in space each year, we're in a pretty good spot year in and year out. It's a little looked at area, but despite Reggie's flaws (and they're beginning to show more and more) this team is really well managed in this regards. Curious how in the world we are against the cap this year and have 77 mil next year? Can you elaborate. Must be some contracts ending entirely and potential resigns among them.. Also, take into account more $$ to Mack, and Cooper increasing on the 5th year option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, holyghost said: Curious how in the world we are against the cap this year and have 77 mil next year? Can you elaborate. Must be some contracts ending entirely and potential resigns among them.. Also, take into account more $$ to Mack, and Cooper increasing on the 5th year option. Most of the difference between this year and next is Mack is on the books for 14m this year, but off the books next year (which is why hopefully 77 mil minus Macks first year; which should be a lower cap hit in year 1 compared to later years when looking at traditional contracts), Cooper is also off the books for 2019, his 5th year option should be somewhere near 13m, but if given a new contract could have a lower cap hit in the first year. Then you've got a plethora of people who have lower cap hits in 2019, irvin, Gabe Jackson, Conley, Lynch is off the books, and a number of players that are getting paid 1-3 mil this year aren't next year for various reasons, and they all add up. (And I doubt Penn will be on the books for 10 mil; granted assumption) Overall, even assuming traditional deals for Mack and Cooper the net should be somewhere in the 50-70, possibly nearer to 50. Irregardless, we start 2019 up to this point with 77 mil to do everything we need. Which was similar but slightly better than how we started this year. If we can be in that position every year we're in very good shape, and kudos to upper management for having talent on the team and a franchise QB and putting us in that spot. TLDR; (77m-32~ mil from Mack/Cooper's first year contract numbers)+Xmil from one or two players being cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 hours ago, holyghost said: Curious how in the world we are against the cap this year and have 77 mil next year? We have half a roster under contract for 2019 at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, oakdb36 said: We have half a roster under contract for 2019 at the moment. We have 31 under contract for '19... Cooper, Mack, Jordy, Smith, Whitehead K.Smith are also not included in the 77M, since they don't have a cap number for them... 37 players but Coop will have a 13M number with a 5th year option, Mack will have a 20M number with his new deal, Jordy has 7M, Whitehead has 6M, the 2 Smith should be good for 1-1M...48M will be added to that 77M...125M for 37 player...we will have some money to work with...especially if you account for easy cuts like Penn (10M saving), Irvin (9M saving) But we will also have plenty of FA guys: Melvin, Edwards, Cook, Olawale, Carradine, Gilchrist, Wright, Walford, Lynch, Feliciano, McDonald... Melvin, Edwards, Carradine, Walford, Gilchrist could be re-sign options if they can respond well to our schemes, coaches this year...maybe even Cook, Olawale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The 31 players under contract for 2019 include Cooper, Nelson, L.Smith, Whitehead and K.Smith. That's around 15M less for Nelson, Whitehead and K.Smith. I don't know what's the number for Cooper's 5th year option so i'll go with the 13M you mentioned. 20M for Mack. Around 10M for the 2018 rookie class. That leaves us at 19M in cap space next season. With Penn, Irvin and Roberts likely candidates to be released to get more cap room (around 24M between those 3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Shannon Sharpe and Rod Woodson roasting the Raider moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Shannon Sharpe and Rod Woodson roasting the Raider moves Spotlight is on Gruden to prove everyone wrong. It was easy to laugh off his "1998 comments" at the time. But looking at the moves made, it's concerning. Downgraded WR to an older/slower version. Shipped out to of the better athletes on the team (Patterson/Olawale) in favor of a 'traditional' FB. Signed not 1, but 2 blocking TEs. Signed a 29 year has-been back up. Kept a 32 year old has-been. This certainly doesn't have the look of an offense that will be multiple, dynamic, play mismatches. It has the look of what Gruden's always done. I am less inspired by the day here with this offense. On paper today, they look old and slow at the skills outside Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 2:01 AM, Rolni said: We have 31 under contract for '19... Cooper, Mack, Jordy, Smith, Whitehead K.Smith are also not included in the 77M, since they don't have a cap number for them... 37 players but Coop will have a 13M number with a 5th year option, Mack will have a 20M number with his new deal, Jordy has 7M, Whitehead has 6M, the 2 Smith should be good for 1-1M...48M will be added to that 77M...125M for 37 player...we will have some money to work with...especially if you account for easy cuts like Penn (10M saving), Irvin (9M saving) But we will also have plenty of FA guys: Melvin, Edwards, Cook, Olawale, Carradine, Gilchrist, Wright, Walford, Lynch, Feliciano, McDonald... Melvin, Edwards, Carradine, Walford, Gilchrist could be re-sign options if they can respond well to our schemes, coaches this year...maybe even Cook, Olawale yes you are right... I'll just focus on starters, we won't sign depth for expensive .. in 2019 Raiders will have 75M before you factor in Mack extension which will be around 23 so down to 50M will these guys under contract Offense: Carr, Smith, Nelson, Roberts, Penn, KO, Hudson, Jackson Defense: Mack, Ellis, Irvin, Whitehead, Conely, Joseph, Obi Key Free Agents: Lynch, Cook, Melvin, Gilchrist, Cooper, Edwards, Walford Guys who could be cut: Roberts, Penn, Irvin, Ellis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Spotlight is on Gruden to prove everyone wrong. It was easy to laugh off his "1998 comments" at the time. But looking at the moves made, it's concerning. Downgraded WR to an older/slower version. Shipped out to of the better athletes on the team (Patterson/Olawale) in favor of a 'traditional' FB. Signed not 1, but 2 blocking TEs. Signed a 29 year has-been back up. Kept a 32 year old has-been. This certainly doesn't have the look of an offense that will be multiple, dynamic, play mismatches. It has the look of what Gruden's always done. I am less inspired by the day here with this offense. On paper today, they look old and slow at the skills outside Cooper. only move I see questionable is choose Nelson over Crabtree. but honestly we act like we know how Crabtree is behind the scenes. Always cried out a diva since Sherman called him out Patterson so overrated on here. all pro kick returner, yes... but rule changes took out the KR. not a good wideout, had a chance to step up last year and didn't...overpaid and won't be missed Olewale- hardly even played. Gruden went with a athletic run blocking FB. don't see what your deal is? Doug Martin was a cheap camp invite. remember the Bill game when Lynch was suspended. Lynch still showed explosion in the 2nd half of the year, better as the year went on.. more impression with the horrible play calling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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